You should, and I mean this seriously, read a bit about what the EU is about and than think before you write such idiotic responses.
Well, according to an article in this forum, 55% of germans and 66% of french don't want turkey to come into the EU. So you are the total idiot, calling me a nazi before, when i am purely making the point that 55% of your country is making. I don't mind you having a view, but don't be so intolerant of other people having a view.
australia wrote:Well, according to an article in this forum, 55% of germans and 66% of french don't want turkey to come into the EU. So you are the total idiot, calling me a nazi before, when i am purely making the point that 55% of your country is making. I don't mind you having a view, but don't be so intolerant of other people having a view.
I wasn't talking about Turkey or opinions of others, but my response was an answer to this of your knowlegable remarks:
australia wrote:It doesn't affect me Walter. I am sure you will enjoy your country making EU payments every year to ensure that Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and other **** holes that I can't think of, tryand bridge the gap between first world countries.
I can't remember, having called you a Nazi.
I sincerely belive, however, that you follow a right wing, Nazi-near idiology.
And I'm sure, you would be under monitoring of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (or that one from Bavaria state), if you lived here.
The above post shows how stupid you are.
Calling me a nazi because I am advocating the restriction of muslim immigration.
Lets determine this once and for all.
What are your views about:
Retirement benefits
Unemployment benefits
Free Healthcare
Governmental control of natural resources
Social security
Work environment legislation
Democratic forms of government
Authocratic forms of government
Freedom of speech
Freedom of religion
The presumption of innocence
Should give us some of where you stand politically.
Seems you are only out of the mainstream with respect to religion/ethnicity.
i am not a right winger or am i left. I consider myself to be middle. In comparison with gungasnake, i am to the left. His belief is to nucleur bomb mecca. I don't believe in war or invasions or anything like that. The only view I have is to stem the flow of muslim immigrants for security reasons and replace the immigration of refugees with immigrants who have needed skills, for economic reasons.
A bit different to thoughts of Hitler, I would have thought.
Narrow-minded intolerance and ignorance can be found in all sections of the political spectrum. When they are coupled with a tinge of authoritarianism they are the basis for totalitarian ideologies the 20th century taught us to dread. Regardless of the "left/right" aspects of ones views, a willingness to make final judgements about classes of people, without regard to their individuality is the soul of such moral and political perversions.
After all the Nazis styled themselves as socialists and they certainly did all they could to achieve full employment for both the German and captive people.
Walter is right.
Regardless of the "left/right" aspects of ones views, a willingness to make final judgements about classes of people, without regard to their individuality is the soul of such moral and political perversions.
According to your theory then, 55% of all germans and 60% of all french are nazis. They had the view that they didn't want Turkey in the EU. They are making final judgements about classes of people, without regard to their individuality.
It is a stupid premise to link nazi's with that. Surely people can have a view on immigration, on countries economic ties, on national security without people like you branding them nazi's. What about the freedom of speech? Ah, i get it, freedom of speech is okay as long as it agrees with your view. Sadly there are a lot of people like you in this world. You are not safe to make an opinion anymore. Political correctness will be the greatest scourge of mankind.
Nobody's trying to shut you up, are they, australia? The appeal to free speech is a red herring here.
You have the right to say stuff about Bulgaria being a shithole and muslims being all potential terrorists, and people like Walter, george or I have the right to call such opinions idiotic. We all have free speech. I don't really see how your freedom of speech is threatened here, at all, or what political correctness has to do with it.
Is our right to call what you just said idiotic a question of political correctness? Isn't it, in turn, also just a practicing of free speech? Or does the fight against PC entail allowing you to say whatever you want, but us not being allowed to say it's stupid, anymore?
Hey you wouldnt be alone in that interpretation. Its a Fortuynist cliche. Fortuyn's followers get to say on TV that we should watch out for all them Muslim terrorists in our mosques; but when some leftist then retorts that we should better watch out for them Fortuynist pseudi-nazis, they cry outrage and claim that "the politically correct" are trying to censure them. Err, no dude, but if you get to say whatever you want about Muslims or leftists or whatever, then we get to say whatever we want about you folks. Right?
<shrugs>
If you read my posts, i have never once advocated violence. I am anti the war on iraq. So being non violent I think is a far way away from nazis. You can call me idiotic, that is reasonable and probably correct, but nazis is way inaccurate.
Usually, I made some jokes, when George is on my side.
Not this time.
Again: I didn't call you a Nazi, but you certainly are politically on the same right side as they are.
(Neo-Nazis are since a couple of months anti-Moslem here, too.)
Well, when on those rare occasions when Walter agrees with me I rejoice loudly. He just makes jokes. But I forgive him.
However it is true that we appear to agree fully that unqualified broad judgements on the worth or merits of whole peoples, whatever may be the motive for it, is not only repugnant to wisdom and right understanding, it has also shown itself to be the precursor of horrible judgements and actions on the part of evil governments of both the right and the left during the late, unlamented 20th century. Whether this takes the form of Leninist "elimination of the unreconcilables" in Russia, Ukraine, China, or even Cuba; or Nazi persecutions of Poles and Jews; or of Afrikaner subjugation of Hindus and Bantus; or of Ugandan mistreatment of Hindus under Idi Amin; or Serbian treatment of Moslems in Bosnia, and many others, the results are the same - and they are all bad.
I believe Walter has expressed some reservations about the admission of Turkey to the EU. That is his right and there are no shortage of rational reasons for concern on that matter (though in total I believe the merits are good). However that is a very far cry from what 'australia' has proposed In his many posts. To advocate blanket prohibitions of both Moslems and former national members of the community of Europe, the Habsburg empire and associated independent states formerly under the yoke of the Soviet Empire, and using epithets such as "trash" to describes them, is offensive to common sense and right understanding..
I believe the United States is more or less at war with the growing political phenomenon of retrograde Islamist demands for theocratic government s that practice large scale intolerance for other religions, beliefs and modern norms for political and economic behavior. This phenomena is a result of unresolved elements in the Moslem tradition and, as well, wrongs inflicted on them by European colonial powers during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. This is a political struggle that pits the leadership of our society and governments against the corresponding organs of theirs. It does not mean we consider these people to be "trash" , not worthy of participation in our world. 'australia' is dead wrong to express such views and Walter and I are right to condemn them.
georgeob1 wrote: You are wrong to express such views and Walter and I are right to condemn them...
Which doesn't mean on the other site that George and I start from now onwards to sing dirty drinking songs together in the Conservative Club or even ... eegeett ... in an obscure NAS officer's mass!
Well Walter the occasional beer and song, dirty or not, would do us no lasting harm. Besides it has been my experiences that in this area Germans have more to teach us than we them (that is not from a lack of trying on our part, just less experience and skill - but we are working on it.)
Walter really likes me and American conservatism - he just can't bring himself to admit it. Except for the fact that he is annoyingly right on every factual reference I think Walter is a great guy.
