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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 3 Dec, 2014 08:17 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!

Indeed, since there is and has never been an EU president.


President of the European Council (Donald Tusk)
President of the European Commission (Jean-Claude Juncker)
Presidency of the Council of the European Union (Italy)
President of the European Parliament (Martin Schulz)

Van Rompuy was the first President of the European Council. His salary was 350,000 € ($521,374 / £275,000) a year
georgeob1
 
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Thu 4 Dec, 2014 10:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
That's a lot of presidents.

The fact is the the EU still remains somewhare between a loose assemblage of sovereign, independent states and a real union with a supreme central government. Moreover the passage of time and the growing body of administrative law and treaty policy tend, in my perception, to make the final resolution of this central issue of governance ever more difficult and unlikely.

It's also likely that this persistent ambiguity has so far been a net gain or benefit for the European project, because it permitted steady gains in the development of ever more pervasive common policies and practices, without requiring a final resolution of the rather intractable central issue of central governance. However that may not last much longer. there appear to be growing strains among some members regarding the rising cost of of the European bureaucracy and a parliament without real legislative legitimacy and dominant power. In addition the economic dominance of Germany; the North-South economic divide; and the politically motivated concentrations of many EU subsidies remaing sources of some fractious struggles.

That said the union has survived these and other serious strains over the past decade, a period which included a serious worldwide economic recession and continuing anxieties over Europe's growing dependence on increasingly unrelaible Russian supplies of gas and petroleum. Meanwhile the continuing demographic decline of Europe and the large, restless, and conflict-torn populations to the south pose a continuing external threat and ongoing immigratin problem. In any event all this remains an interesting issue in my perceptions.

The United States faces equally interesting and somewhat analogous issues in these areas, though in most cases less intense. Unfortunately for us, our current government is even more inept than those in Europe in dealing with them.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 4 Dec, 2014 10:27 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
That's a lot of presidents.
The closest presidents we've got here, is the president of our district court and some police presidents in the larger cities. Very Happy
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Lordyaswas
 
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Thu 4 Dec, 2014 10:30 am
@georgeob1,
"That's a lot of presidents."


There's a very big trough, so they all get their share. Cool
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 4 Dec, 2014 10:33 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The United States faces equally interesting and somewhat analogous issues in these areas, though in most cases less intense. Unfortunately for us, our current government is even more inept than those in Europe in dealing with them.


inept?? inept? They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing! Lying and cheating! They murder people and children, all for their fun!
But, be honest, what else can you expect from a bunch of psychopaths with the same dna!?


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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 10:39 pm
The Europeans are some dumb motherfuckers. First they work to destabilize Libya by removing the unifying force Col Gadhafi, now after thus making the africans lives more miserable they park their navies off the Libyan coast to facilitate the invading muslim hordes. The only thing left to do to give their enemies a better advantage is to rent a couple of cruise ships and run them between Africa and Europe to provide free transport.


How many ISIS forces as these guys "rescued", otherwise known as "transported"?
georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 11:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
What is your standard for being smart in such situations? Caqn you provide some examples of smart and just handling of analogous (to Libya) situations involving neighboring countries with profoundly different cultures, unstable tyrants and nearby zealots anxious to pursure their objectives in a politically unstable situation?
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 11:21 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Can you provide some examples of smart and just handling of analogous (to Libya) situation


You seem to not understand that the pain of the Libyans need not be a problem for the Europeans to solve. The entire African continent is a perpetual dung heap, any aid that is given needs to be evaluated from a national security stand point, not a bleeding heart stand point. Africa is a place where the heart can easily bleed dry. You rarely see in America anymore PSA's and concerts about starving africans, there are always starving africans no matter what we do. 30 or so years after the pleas to hand over money for this alleged good deed we do not want to hear it an ymore.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 11:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
I don't agree with your sweeping (and inaccurate) generalizations.

However, more to the point I wonder why, given what you wrote above, you were so offensively criticizing Europeans for failing to correct the chaos in Libya????
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 11:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
The Libyans said " we will hate you forever if you dont help us take out the Col"

When that enterprise turned out to be a disaster they now say " we will hate you for ever if you dont let us live in your country"

Maybe the hate can be tolerated at less cost than the generations of heart ache earned by taking in so many people who dont like who lives in the house currently, and who wants to convert the rest of the members to their ways.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 7 Jun, 2015 11:34 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

you were so offensively criticizing Europeans for failing to correct the chaos in Libya????


Quote:
First they work to destabilize Libya by removing the unifying force Col Gadhafi, now after thus making the africans lives more miserable


I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

The best thing to do after the failure of the Libyan war was certainly to buy off the right people so that what the Europeans wanted to happen happened. However once the Europeans tied themselves with religious zeal to the will of the common Libyan they were pretty thoroughly fucked. with all of the oil, and with as well as Gadhafi kept up the oils fields and pipelines, this should have been easy. THere should have been constant very large wire transfers to a targeted couple of hundred people.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 18 Jun, 2015 05:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Around 40 percent of the 186,000 asylum seekers registered in the EU in the first quarter of 2015 applied for papers in Germany, according to data provided by Eurostat, the EU's statistical agency.
Many of those fleeing Africa and the Middle East embark on perilous journeys across the Mediterranean Sea.
"By far the most urgent task is improving sea rescue operations [in the Mediterranean]," Merkel told the lower house of parliament on Thursday. "The tragedy, which plays out again and again, profoundly affects us all," she said. "We all agree that everything - really everything - must be done in order to save lives."

http://www.dw.de/everything-must-be-done-to-save-lives-says-germanys-merkel-on-refugees/a-18526125

THAT'S RIGHT! The Germans need to give and give till they have nothing left to give any more, those motherfuckers need to pay for Hitler. I used to have a lot of respect for the Germans, but somewhere along the way they shut down their brains. They deserve what they get.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 26 Jun, 2015 05:54 pm
I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the Europeans for their largely half measures in dealing with the flood of refugees to their south. The contradictions between the relatively prosperous well-developed social welfare states of Europe with their declining demographics and low growth economies and the potential mass flood of immigrants from the social & political chaos and poverty in the neighboring Mideast and North Africa present a challenge that very few countries have been able to manage well.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 26 Jun, 2015 11:01 pm
@georgeob1,
despite the argument that long term Europe needs more people who will reproduce the fact remains that new African Immigrants are nearly useless and will be a huge resource suck for a long time at best, and social disintegraters at worst . Who gets to pay? As we see with the financial mess trying to half ass the framework of the confederation has huge consequences. If "EUROPE" is going to accept all of this obligation then EUROPE needs to pay, not the nations. That is for as long as the nations still exist.

BTW: these calls we keep hearing "we have to do it for Europe" are a farce when the Germans are the only ones paying the bills. You wait, this is going to be a problem. At some point soon the Germans are going to get over their Nazi guilt and look at the endless obligations they are expected to pay for all of these other ne'er-do-well Europeans and say ENOUGH! Maybe we will be starting with Greece.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 26 Jun, 2015 11:54 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the Europeans for their largely half measures in dealing with the flood of refugees to their south. T
Actually, only a few (the UK and some eastern European countries) don't take the refugees.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2015 12:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the Europeans for their largely half measures in dealing with the flood of refugees to their south. T
Actually, only a few (the UK and some eastern European countries) don't take the refugees.

even back in 2000/2005 Europe was taking 440000, and it might be a million this year. A plan to handle 40,000 not very well this year is symbolic.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2015 12:19 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't know from where you've got the "40,000". Germany alone has taken 142,000 this year (until May)
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2015 12:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
At issue was a deal reached in the early hours Friday morning to resettle throughout Europe 40,000 asylum-seekers who are now in Italy and Greece, plus 20,000 from camps outside the continent

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-immigration-dispute-splits-leaders-1435326764

OK, 60,000
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2015 12:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Official numbers for this year in Germany per month

http://i57.tinypic.com/169i6xf.jpg


The June number will be significantly higher: in mid-June, it has been been already above 20,000 - - -200,000 for the year 2015 were expected officially earlier.
georgeob1
 
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Sat 27 Jun, 2015 05:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Those are very small numbers both relative to the number seeking refuge and the population of Germany.
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