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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 10 Sep, 2006 02:22 am
Nick Cohen in today's The Observer

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Furthermore: Remind me again what Europe is for

Before he launched his pre-emptive war against Gordon Brown, Charles Clarke made an interesting speech on where on earth the British centre-left should go now. High among his recommendations was that it should try to build up Europe as a counterweight to America.

Everyone I know says the same thing, but neglects to explain what comes next after Europe has declared that it thinks the United States is dangerous and vulgar.

Ever since a European Union which was daily proclaiming its commitment to human rights and loathing of totalitarianism stood by while crimes against humanity were committed just over its borders in Bosnia, the suspicion has been that what comes next will be mere posturing.

Even on small matters of principle, it can't be brave. For years, the EU refused to allow the thugs who run the Burmese junta to visit Europe. The visa ban was a gesture, but one that emphasised to the military that there were at least some parts of the world where they were rightly regarded as pariahs.

Yet this weekend, tyrannous Burmese officers dined long and lustily with John Prescott and other EU leaders at a banquet in Helsinki to celebrate co-operation between Europe and Asia.

Germany, Austria, Italy and, inevitably, the French wanted to put trade before human rights and constructed a loophole to allow Burma's goons in.

The Burma Campaign Group says that the lavish meal is 'not a serious attempt at political engagement, but a farce designed to save face' and it's hard to disagree. The EU isn't saying: 'We'll lift the visa ban if you release democrats from prison', but giving the junta just what it wants. A strong Europe sounds a wonderful thing, but what will it do with its strength?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 11 Sep, 2006 12:38 am
From today's The Guardian (page 9)

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 11 Sep, 2006 12:42 am
And since this might well be EU-related:

The pro-European government of Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic won most of the votes in the first general elections in the tiny Balkan state since it gained independence three months ago, estimates showed.

The first projections given by the non-governmental Center for Monitoring (CEMI), the group observing Sunday's vote, showed that Djukanovic's ruling coalition was on the threshold of gaining a majority of seats in the parliament.

Based on estimates done on 91.93 percent of the electorate, Djukanovic's coalition has secured 40 seats in the 81-member parliament.

"It is difficult now to announce that anyone has an absolute majority," said Zlatko Vujovic of CEMI.

"These are not final results, and there could be changes," he added.

Another observer group, Center for Democratic Transition (CDT) said Djukanovic's coalition has "probably won 41 mandates" that would enable it to form a government alone.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 11 Sep, 2006 10:35 pm
Prime Minister's Milo Djukanovic coalition won indeed those 41 seats in Montenegro's 81-seat parliament.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 11 Sep, 2006 10:53 pm
Speaking about new/possible EU-members: the EU postponed the expansion of the Schengen border-free zone = there will still will be border controls between the old and new EU-countries .... until 2008:
the EU said it would not be ready to integrate the information systems of new member states until June 2008.

EU newcomers' entry to Schengen likely to be postponed
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 11 Sep, 2006 11:34 pm
Schengen <> EURO, somehow connected.

And the UK isn't neither a member of the Schengen zone nor an RURO-country:

In praise of ... sterling
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McTag
 
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Tue 12 Sep, 2006 12:00 am
I can still afford to travel abroad? Good news. Smile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 12 Sep, 2006 12:38 am
Quote:
The Irish Republic's most acerbic and aggressive politician - known as the country's most anti-IRA public figure - is to become the country's new deputy prime minister.


'Rottweiler' McDowell becomes Irish deputy prime minister
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nimh
 
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Tue 12 Sep, 2006 06:44 am

"His intelligence and ability are widely acknowledged, though his trademark political aggression - he has been referred to as a "rottweiler" - means that he has made many enemies."

Set - is it you??
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nimh
 
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Tue 12 Sep, 2006 07:15 am
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Communist party haunted by past, party "rebels" calling for change

06-09-2006
Radio Prague

The past three months of complicated government talks have shown just how much the country's past is still affecting the present. The Communist Party's unwillingness to reform itself to a large extent "distorts" the Czech political scene. The Czech Green Party and the Christian Democrats - who would both be natural candidates for a centre-left coalition elsewhere in Europe - are seen as parties right of centre because they want nothing to do with the Communists. A reform of the Communist Party would clearly benefit everyone - including the Communists themselves -but can they do it?

Sixteen years after the fall of communism the Communist Party is still largely unreformed and haunted by the past. Although the Communists have been accepted at grass-root level and local administration, inviting them to join the government is still a big taboo. The only other party on the left - the Social Democrats lean on them for support in negotiations with right wing parties but there can be no question of open cooperation. Jiri Dolejs - deputy chairman and one of the relatively young pro-reform party members says it is time to step out of the Social Democratic Party's shadow and work on giving the Communist Party more credibility. He has called for an extraordinary party conference to discuss the challenges ahead.

"As far as the past is concerned we should not side-step issues and clearly state that we distance ourselves from the abuse of power committed by the party in the past, to confirm that we are ready to protect private ownership, to say that we are not against the EU but are ready to support EU integration and benefit from it - this and many other things."

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Jiri Dolejs, photo: CTK

This is not the first time that Mr. Dolejs has pushed for change and previous attempts have been squashed by hard-liners. "We need to settle with the past but the majority of our members think that opening up old wounds is not a good idea" Dolejs told Lidove Noviny. He and his supporters are viewed by many as "rebels". In a party where the average age of members is close to 70 and many people have a communist history the idea of settling with the past is not going to be well received. This week the party closed ranks around one of its deputies -Josef Vondruska - when former political prisoners said he was one of the prison guards who had beaten them up in a communist jailhouse. Party chairman Vojtech Filip himself is not above criticism - he was accused of cooperating with the former communist secret service although a court ruled that he may not have been aware of what was happening. As a result he is not eager to hold an extraordinary party conference which could threaten his position.

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Josef Vondruska

Party hardliners say that these attacks in the media are intended to damage the party before the local and Senate elections - but reformers such as Jiri Dolejs say the party has to be in a position to actively counter them. However the pro-reform faction within the party is clearly in the minority and at best any reforms it manages to push through will be affected step-by-step rather than by leaps and bounds. Changing the party's name is not on Mr. Dolejs' agenda - he says he wants to change the content rather than the label.

"I do not think that a name change is on the table. Our credibility will not rise if we paint-over the name on our slate and remain the same on the inside - or even return to old practices".

And good luck to Dolejs. There's been reformist factions within the Czech Communists several times that tried to change the party in the ways that its Polish, Slovak and Hungarian counterparts have done. And each time they ended up defeated by the most orthodox line in the party.

Example in case: in 1992 the Communists stood as the "Left Bloc". A subsequent split had a large part of the thus elected MPs standing on a "Left Bloc" slate again in 1996, and only getting 1,4%, while the hardcore wing of the party just returned to the name "Communist Party" again - and got 10,3%.

Definitely a Czech exception there, perhaps due to a specific (post-68) history. Politically, the consequence has been that the Czech Communists have never in the post-communist era acquired government power, like the ex-communists in Poland, Slovakia and Hungary have. But also that it has retained a very stable share of the vote of 10-20% throughout, in stark contrast to the volatile up and down that many of its counterparts suffered - notably the Polish ex-communists, who are getting used to being the largest party of the country one moment, only to be electorally obliterated the next (repeat cycle).
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nimh
 
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Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:42 pm
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nimh
 
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Wed 13 Sep, 2006 05:42 pm
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Mapleleaf
 
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Wed 13 Sep, 2006 05:47 pm
nimh,
I've often wondered what American's would do if they had to Mix and Match 4 or 5 political parties. For a number of years, the Dem and Rep have just grumbled and thrown dirt at one another. It definitely contributes to the air of decline in the United States. Do European's prefer multi-parties over the two party system?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 13 Sep, 2006 11:27 pm
We don't have two-party-systems in Europe: even in the UK changed that.

And I really don't imagine, someone could prefer such a - what I thing it is - limitation of my choice at elections.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 12:49 am
Yes, Walter, we have three main parties, all bang smack in the centre.

Sometimes, when I see an MP on TV, I have to go and do a quick google to confirm that he IS actually right, left or centre, because if I only listened to what he was spouting on about, I wouldn't have a clue!
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nimh
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 03:07 pm
Mapleleaf wrote:
nimh,
I've often wondered what American's would do if they had to Mix and Match 4 or 5 political parties. For a number of years, the Dem and Rep have just grumbled and thrown dirt at one another. It definitely contributes to the air of decline in the United States. Do European's prefer multi-parties over the two party system?

I cant imagine having just two parties to choose from, to be honest.

I mean - looking at everything left of centre in Holland - that would mean you'd have one party that has everything thrown in together from the populist, anti-EU Socialist Party to the business-class, pro-market Democrats 66, with Old and New Labour types and Greens thrown in as well. All in one party. Thats close to making your choice for that party meaningless, isnt it? I mean, what would a vote for that party mean, if it could yield you a candidate from any random place within that spectrum? Other than, well, that you dont want the other guys to get in?

I'd feel so deflated. I would definitely not go campaigning for a party like that, like I've helped campaign for the Green Left.

I mean, in the district system that goes with a two-party system, you simply dont have the choice to pick a candidate thats roughly in your part of the spectrum, thatd be my problem. If in your district there's a secular but pro-business Democrat 66-type candidate, standing against, say, a conservative-leaning Christian-Democrat, there'd just be nobody to vote for who would even remotely represent my views. And what's a democracy if you cant vote for someone who would represent your views?
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nimh
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 03:20 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Yes, Walter, we have three main parties, all bang smack in the centre.

Sometimes, when I see an MP on TV, I have to go and do a quick google to confirm that he IS actually right, left or centre, because if I only listened to what he was spouting on about, I wouldn't have a clue!

True, true. Specially with Cameron pulling the Tories to the left, and Blair having pushed Labour to the right, thats defnitely true for the UK. I actually saw a quiz somewhere - in the paper or online - where they'd brought together 15 quotes or so, and you had to guess who said them, the Tory, Libdem or Labour leader. It was impossible to get more than a few right.

Mind you, thats still kind of new though - I mean, even "true blue" Tony could easily be told apart from Michael Howard..

Also - though the "paling" of politics has happened to some extent everywhere of course (though arguably not in Holland, at least not on the right) - I think that what you describe is still also the result of having the district system. If you'd had proportional representation (PR), and the true multi-party system that comes with it, then whenever Labour or the Tories left too much space on its flanks, a new party would fill the void. Well, like you had the UKIP and Greens emerging in the European elections, which you do hold on a PR-system. Or like you have the Greens and Socialists in Scottish parliament.

Of course, the downside of that is that you'd also have the BNP in Parliament. But thats democracy, IMO - everyone gets his their views represented in the legislature, whether those views are palatable or not.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 03:34 pm
nimh wrote:

Of course, the downside of that is that you'd also have the BNP in Parliament. But thats democracy, IMO - everyone gets his their views represented in the legislature, whether those views are palatable or not.


Really? Not according the official Parliament website.
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Conservative (196)
Democratic Unionist (9)
Independent (2)
Labour (353)
Liberal Democrat (63)
Plaid Cymru (3)
Respect (1)
Scottish National (6)
Sinn Fein (5)
Social Democratic & Labour Party (3)
Ulster Unionist (1)
Speaker and Deputies (4)

(They've 53 councillors in various town/district councils, though.)
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nimh
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 04:04 pm
Yes Walter, like I wrote: if they'd have proportional representation - which they dont - then they would also surely end up with the BNP in Parliament (which is now not in). But thats democracy, IMO.

nimh wrote:
If you'd had proportional representation (PR), and the true multi-party system that comes with it, then whenever Labour or the Tories left too much space on its flanks, a new party would fill the void. Well, like you had the UKIP and Greens emerging in the European elections, which you do hold on a PR-system. Or like you have the Greens and Socialists in Scottish parliament.

Of course, the downside of that is that you'd also have the BNP in Parliament. But thats democracy, IMO
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 14 Sep, 2006 10:34 pm
nimh wrote:
Yes Walter, like I wrote: if ...


Overread that somehow. Sorry.
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