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FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION

 
 
BernardR
 
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Thu 27 Jul, 2006 11:40 pm
Mr. Hamburger- You speak about "different base figures" I have no idea of what you are talking about. Please be specific. I am quite familiar with the US Bureau of Labor Statistics and I am sure that I can demonstrate that US employment figures AND US unemployment benefits AND US standard of living is quite superior to 95% of the countries of the world.

You speak of Canada. I am sure that you know that the Canadian Medical System is so bad it has even been critizised by the Canadian Supreme Court for its enormous failings!

Please specify your "different base figures" . You may be mistaken!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 27 Jul, 2006 11:59 pm
I can't speak for hamburger nor do I deny that the way the USA gets its figures is superior to 95% of the countries of the world.


In Germany, data for unemployment refer to the number of persons aged between 15 and 65 registered at an employment agency, at the end of the month, seeking a paid job of at least 15 hours and a duration of at least 7 days which is liable to the state insurance scheme. Such persons must be fit for work and either not working or working less than 15 hours per week.
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BernardR
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 12:10 am
Thank You Mr. Walter Hinteler. You are, unlike some on these threads( Mr. Nimh comes to mind immediately) always ready to give precise and complete information.

The US definition of Unemployment is:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

quote

"Persons are classified as unempolyed if they do not have a jobm have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weels, and are currently available for work>"

It should be noted that the Unemployment Rate in the USA at present would be 4.1% if all under the ages of 19 years of age would not be included in the tally.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 12:28 am
[There are some differences according to my sources. But they might be outdated and yours are more referring to the actual situation (e.g.
data refer to persons unemployed or on lay-off for less than five weeks etc).]
You certainly see now the big difference in these datas.
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BernardR
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 12:39 am
No, I do not! Specify the differences please, Mr. Hinteler!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 01:00 am
The ILO definition, unemployment definition differs from the definition of registered unemployed according to the German Social Security Code (SGB III), which is the basis of the reports of the Federal Employment Agency.

For a person to be recorded as unemployed, it is not only required that the person is registered with an employment agency or a municipal institution, but also that he/she is looking for an employment of at least 15 hours per week.
However, it is possible according to the SGB to perform a job of less than 15 hours despite being registered as unemployed. This means that, on the one hand, the ILO labour market statistics includes unemployed persons who are not counted as registered unemployed by the Federal Employment Agency. On the other hand, there are persons who are considered as registered unemployed in the statistics of the Federal Employment Agency but who are not unemployed according to the definition of the ILO labour market statistics.

The unemployment rate is the number of unemployed as a percentage of the total labour force (unemployed + persons in employment). The employment/population ratio is the share of persons in employment aged between 15 and 64 in the population of the same age. That age range is in line with the definitions of the EU employment pact.
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BernardR
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 01:06 am
So?
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hamburger
 
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Fri 28 Jul, 2006 10:23 am
bernard :
when you use phrases like :
"...while touting the moth eaten countries of the Netherlands and Hungary, with which he is associated. " ; i really am not sure if you are just trying to joke - certainly sounds like a lot of bitter gall welling up - or if you truly feel that way .

you are not the only one using phrases like that ; you have plenty of company , both on a2k and all over the world .
i can't see that it contributes anything to an intelligent discussion or exchange of ideas .
if it makes you feel good or superior to others ... well , that's your business .
i usually prefer to have a discourse with people slightly less
abrasive and negative about others .
still , i wish you a good day , bernard (and i sincerely mean it !).
hbg
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BernardR
 
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Sat 29 Jul, 2006 02:21 am
Mr. Hamburger, sir. I respect your post and do agree with you.

I do not denigrate others until and unless they step on my toe-HARD.

Mr. Nimh, who evidently feels he cannot be challenged, had the temerity to call me a name--He called me the village idiot after I challenged his gratuituous attack on THE USA when he denigrated the CIA. My suprise that he would delve into files which go back fifty years in order to blacken my country was seconded by others.

Now, I hope you understand. I will never denigrate you or your arguments as long as you are polite and I will also be polite to you and anyone else.

I can, if necessary, pull up from search files, quite a few instances when posters violated the TOS by name calling.

I don't do that!!! Mr. Blatham in particular, evidently in a snit because I showed that one of his arguments was ludricrous, descended to the adolescent level by calling me a piece of excrement>

Do you understand now???
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nimh
 
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Sat 29 Jul, 2006 07:14 am
BernardR wrote:
until and unless they step on my toe-HARD.

Mr. Nimh, who evidently feels he cannot be challenged, had the temerity to call me a name--He called me the village idiot

Oh, you talked about me and my moth-eaten, inferior countries with their outhouse toilets long before I ever referred to you in passing, in a post to Asherman, as our village idiot - and many, many times too.
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BernardR
 
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Sat 29 Jul, 2006 11:51 pm
Really sir? Would you be so good as to find the date of that encounter with Mr. Asherman and your usage of that term which, of course, is counter to the TOS? If you can find any references of mine about "Moth Eaten Hungary" which are dated before that, I will apolgize to you profusely.

I am quite certain that you will not be able to find such references of min mentioning "Moth Eaten Hungary" before then!!

As I said to Mr. Hamburger, I will be polite to those who are polite to me!!

Here is your post from June 20th from the CIA thread, Mr. Nimh. You refer to the "village idiot". If you can tell me I was not the object of that slur clearly violative of the TOS and tell me who you meant, I will accept your word on it, If, however, you meant me, I refer you back to my post to Mr. Hamburger-- I don't let anyone step on my toes. I am polite to those who are polite to me.

You will note that the post you made was on June 20th. I AM QUITE CERTAIN YOU WILL FIND NO POST MADE BY ME BEFORE THAT DATE WHICH REFERS TO "MOTH EATEN HUNGARY"

Thank you sir and I hope that this exchange of information is profitable to both of us. I am quite ready to discourse with the utmost polilteness and referral to sources instead of unreferenced opiniions.


Part of Mr. Nimh's post on June 20th---

Me also thinks a restored sense of proportion is in order. This is a random discussion board on the world wide web - with a core group of users of perhaps a hundred or two. Nothing any of us will say here will have any effect whatsoever when it comes to "undercutting the government", "bringing it into disrepute", "supporting the propaganda campaign of the radical Islamic terrorists" or, for that matter, "spreading peace and love around the globe". This story was in all the major news media around the world. Do you seriously think that a procrastinative to-and-fro on a messageboard between a random leftie and the place's village idiot will exert any additional effect, whatsoever?
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nimh
 
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Sun 30 Jul, 2006 03:39 am
nimh wrote:
Oh, you talked about me and my moth-eaten, inferior countries with their outhouse toilets long before I ever referred to you in passing, in a post to Asherman, as our village idiot - and many, many times too.

BernardR wrote:
You will note that the post you made was on June 20th. I AM QUITE CERTAIN YOU WILL FIND NO POST MADE BY ME BEFORE THAT DATE WHICH REFERS TO "MOTH EATEN HUNGARY"

You are quite right, Bernard, I was wrong. Upon review, I have to agree that you did not pioneer that particular new insult - the "moth-eaten" one - until after June 20.

That's not to say that your "country insults" only started up after June 20, however - that you didnt engage in such insults before I ever referred to you in passing as A2K's village idiot.

For example:

On June 14, BernardR wrote:
Or has the continual immorality in the Netherlands made the people in that country impervious to civilization and culture?


On June 16, BernardR wrote:
Nimh says "most vicious and most immoral"

There is nothing as vicious and immoral as the fleshpots of the Dutch Cities. Every type of perversion in the world can be found in its full glory in Amsterdam.

I would say that, on balance, the CIA has done many good things. What have the whores and perverts in Holland done for the world.
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BernardR
 
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Sun 30 Jul, 2006 10:51 pm
Thank you for your corrections regarding the term "Moth Eaten Hungary". I think it is best if everyone posts without the use of pejoratives. It makes for a much nicer atmosphere.

Again, Mr. Nimh, I always respond in kind. When someone is polite to me, I am polite to them.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Mon 31 Jul, 2006 11:17 am
Bernard,

I need to review some threads and see how all of this evolved. Personally, on other threads, I have found nimh's and hamburger's contributions both informative and nonabrasive. Then again, I seldom have felt myself or my country as being attacked...however, I do believe America and it's leaders have a lot to learn.
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nimh
 
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Mon 31 Jul, 2006 02:44 pm
Good, informative, concise enough overview of the state of the nation: read the shortened version below or click the headline to read the whole thing.

Quote:
Bosnia faces another, predictable poll

As Bosnia's political parties gear up to campaign for October general elections, the electorate is in for more of the same ethnic opportunism that has held the country back for a decade after the war.

By Anes Alic in Sarajevo for ISN Security Watch (28/07/06)

As they have continued to do since the first post-war election in 1996, Bosnia's three main nationalist parties are preparing their well-rehearsed campaigns for October general elections, hoping to win votes by arousing divisive ethnic sentiments in the absence of any clear platform to move the country forward.

On 1 October, voters will elect the president and the parliament of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well as a new parliament for the Bosnian Croat- and Bosnian Muslim-dominated Federation entity. They will also choose a new president, vice-president and parliament in the Serb-dominated entity of Republika Srpska. [..]

A July survey [..] found that the Republika Srpska-based Alliance of Independent Social Democrats (SNSD) remained the most popular party in the country, with 30.9 percent support. The moderate, multi-ethnic Social Democratic Party (SDP) came in second, though still far behind, with 13.9 percent [..].

Most disappointing, according to research from nongovernmental organizations [..], is the fact that out of 8,000 candidates competing for 500 positions [..], 80 percent [..] are figures who have been present in the political system since the war [..].

Opportunism over ideology

So far, the election campaign has been characterized by a mass shifting of allegiances, with politicians quitting their parties and moving to other parties that have no ideological similarities in an attempt to move further up on the party list to have a better chance of winning a seat in parliament.

[Parliament] jobs are relatively easy - with the international community making the bulk of the sensitive decisions - and salaries at six times the average national salary.

[O]f 450 of the top party list leaders, only 80 so far have not changed parties, while others have changed parties up to five times already. [..]

"The devastating thing is that there are no more young people with new ideas running in the elections," said [the spokesman for Transparency International in Bosnia].

The nationalist card - again

During the last elections in 2004 [..] only 45.52 percent turned out to vote, and observers estimate that only 7-10 percent of 18-30 year olds exercised their right to vote.

Starting with the first multi-party elections in 1990, most voters supported parties associated with their own ethnic group - the only notable exceptions being in places where Bosniaks were the majority in Sarajevo and Tuzla. Other Bosniak-dominated towns and villages were swept by the nationalist SDA.

However, in 2000 elections, the opposition alliance led by the moderate Sarajevo-based SDP took power from the SDA - only to lose it again two years later after failing to satisfy ethnic needs, especially those of refugees and war veterans [..].

Bosnian Serb voters have generally gravitated to the nationalist Serbian Democratic Party (SDS) set up by Radovan Karadzic, Europe's most wanted war crimes indictee. Since 1997, two more moderate parties, the Party of Democratic Progress (PDP) and the SNSD - both of which have more credibility in the eyes of the international community but still manage to manipulate ethnic and religious sentiments - have stolen the SDS' top seat.

Ethnic Croats, particularly those in western Herzegovina, tend to support the nationalist Croatian Democratic Community (HDZ), but recently, Bosnian Croats nationalist parties like the New Croatian Initiative (NHI) and the recently formed HDZ 1990-Croat Unity (comprised of former HDZ officials) have become stronger.

More disappointment for Bosnia

[..] Even a month before the election campaign is slated to start, the tactics of the three main nationalist parties are clear [..].

Bosnian Serb parties have already begun collecting votes using the May referendum in Montenegro as a justification. [..] Right after Montenegro's independence referendum, SNSD leader and Republika Srpska Prime Minister Milorad Dodik suggested that a similar referendum be held in the Serb-dominated Bosnian entity. [..]


According to a June opinion poll conducted in Republika Srpska, 40 percent of Bosnian Serbs there fully agreed [..], while 22.3 percent of "mostly" agreed with the idea of secession.

However, the international community has rejected such idea, saying that unlike Montenegro, Republika Srpska, which was created during the war, had never been an independent republic and that splitting the Bosnia and Herzegovina was out of question. [..]

Meanwhile, Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats look set on focusing their campaign on their differences over [..] proposed constitutional changes rather than offering the electorate any plan for reform, development or European integration. [..]

Broken promises

In past elections, parties have promised higher living standards, economic reform, EU integration, more employment and a number of other things political parties tend to promise the world over. None of those promises have been met [..], and they are often quickly shoved under the rug in the face of everlasting ethnic power struggles that exist mostly in the minds of the politicians and not the electorate.

Furthermore, almost all reforms made by Bosnian authorities since the war have been pushed through under immense pressure and supervision from the international community, led by the Office of the High Representative (OHR).

As such, citizens and nongovernmental organizations view the OHR's decision to close its mission down by June next year as very premature.

For the past 11 years, the OHR has been the top agency for implementing the civilian aspects of the Dayton Peace Agreement, passing dozens of key laws that Bosnian authorities could not agree on, suspending hundreds of reform obstructing politicians, and punishing those funding the fugitive lifestyles of wanted war criminals.

Despite the clear lack of progress on the part of Bosnian authorities, the OHR itself believes that the country has made enough progress to continue on its own, and that Bosnian authorities have to take responsibility. [..]
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BernardR
 
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Mon 31 Jul, 2006 02:49 pm
I am beholden to Mr. Nimh for his presentation regarding Bosnia. His link was quite interesting. However, since most of the left wing in the United States has been so critical of the Bush Administration's responses throught the world, it is necessary for us to review the fallout from the disasterous policies implemented by the fastest zipper in the west- Bill Jefferson Clinton.

Repeating Clinton's Mistakes
U.S. Response to the Crisis in Darfur
By Tom Malinowski, Washington Advocacy Director

Published in The Washington Post

In his willingness to confront evil head-on, President Bush likes to think he's more decisive than that mushy-headed multilateralist Bill Clinton. But when I look at the Bush administration's response to what it has itself called genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, I can't help thinking I've seen this movie before. It recalls the early Clinton administration (in which I served) and its initially ineffectual stand against Bosnian ethnic cleansing>


In 1993 and 1994 the United States could point to dozens of good things it had done about Bosnia: imposing sanctions, brokering peace talks, supporting U.N. peacekeepers and providing humanitarian aid. But America's commitment to end genocide was hollow, because it was not, at that point, backed by political and military muscle. The same is true in Darfur today.

In 1993 the Clinton administration sent Secretary of State Warren Christopher to Europe to urge NATO to intervene against the Serb forces committing atrocities in Bosnia. America's European allies said no, and Christopher did not insist. Last month the Bush administration sent Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to Europe, where they raised the possibility of NATO help for a tiny African Union (A.U.) peacekeeping force deployed in Darfur. Without a larger and more capable force to protect civilians, the killing there will continue. But European countries were skeptical about a NATO role beyond, possibly, help with logistics. (France said that NATO should not be "the gendarme of the world.")

And if U.S. officials wanted more, they did not insist. After a key NATO meeting last week, all Rice had to say was: "The NATO Council today, as foreign ministers had lunch, discussed the situation in Sudan and in Darfur and what support NATO could give in the form of planning and logistics to support the A.U.-led effort, should a request be forthcoming or should it be necessary to help." Hardly a ringing call to action.

Before it took action in Bosnia, the Clinton administration hid behind the United Nations. Warren Christopher said in June 1994, "NATO has done [in Bosnia] whatever has been asked of it by the United Nations." The Bush administration is hiding behind the African Union, which has taken months to deploy just 2,000 troops in Darfur. Rice said last week: "We've been very active, but what we really all are focusing on now . . . is the African Union, which is taking the lead. . . . The African Union may need some help with capacity. If there is a request, I would hope that NATO would act favorably."

In the early 1990s the Pentagon resisted American involvement in Bosnia, seeing it as peripheral to U.S. interests. Today the Pentagon resists American involvement in Darfur, for the same reason. Nine slots in the African Union mission in Darfur are supposed to be filled by Americans. Of that tiny number, the Pentagon has filled at most three.

I have no doubt that the Bush administration cares about Sudan. The United States has done more than any other Western country for Darfur. To its credit, the administration even allowed the U.N. Security Council to refer the atrocities there to the International Criminal Court, despite its bitter opposition to this court.

The administration has been clear and correct about what should happen. The African Union should deploy additional forces. Sudan should cooperate with those forces, rein in its murderous militias and seek a diplomatic solution. But, as with Bosnia, no one wants to confront the obvious question: What if none of these things happen? What if the African Union, for reasons of regional pride or fear of confronting Sudan, never asks NATO for real help? What if Sudan concludes, as the Serbs did in Bosnia, that the way to ease international pressure is to complete its ethnic cleansing? Then Darfur will be free of violence (since the victims will be dead or concentrated in camps), and the international community might move on.

There is only one sure path to saving lives in Darfur: deploying a much larger military force with a clear mandate to protect civilians. The African Union should put in place a concrete plan to deploy more troops, at least 10,000, within a month. If the A.U. will not do that, the U.N. Security Council should immediately deploy a civilian protection force to do the job. And if the Security Council will not do that (because of, say, a Chinese veto), then NATO and the European Union should be prepared to step in. In any event, the United States and its allies should start planning now to provide logistical support and troops.
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nimh
 
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Mon 31 Jul, 2006 03:59 pm
The fastest zipper in the west, now thats kinda funny..
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BernardR
 
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Mon 31 Jul, 2006 04:09 pm
Mr. Nimh. I would love to claim exclusive title to that appelation, but alas I cannot. I must confess that I filched it. I do not recall its provenance.
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nimh
 
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Mon 7 Aug, 2006 02:47 pm
Quote:

[My] summary:

Quote:
Romania is consigning a generation of HIV-infected teenagers to a life of persecution on the margins of society, a Human Rights Watch study shows. It details the problems of more than 7,200 Romanians aged 15 to 19 infected with HIV between 1986 and 1991 in the course of an ill-conceived government programme, which resulted in over 10,000 children at hospitals and orphanages being exposed to contaminated needles.

Forty per cent of the survivors now have no access to education; more than 700 are in orphanages or foster care. Many doctors refuse to treat them and prospective employers turn them away when told they are HIV-positive. Romanian law prescribes mandatory HIV-testing for anyone wanting to become a hairdresser, a beautician, a child carer, a health professional, a cleaner, or work in the food and several other industries.
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nimh
 
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Mon 7 Aug, 2006 02:54 pm
But, on the bright side:

Quote:
Romania prepares a recipe for fighting corruption

31/07/2006
Gelu Trandafir
Southeast European Times

[My] summary:

Quote:
Not long ago, Romania was in danger of seeing its EU accession delayed due to inadequate anti-corruption measures, but the country has turned things around. Many credit Justice Minister Monica Macovei's resolute fight for reform. "For the first time in the history of the country, nobody is above the law", EU Enlargement Commissioner Rehn said. Professor Tom Gallagher also emphasises the crucial role played by NGOs and independent media.

Macovei, a former prosecutor turned rights activist, faced strong opposition from a judicial establishment with ties to the Communist past. Nevertheless, she has been able to reform that establishment, using the remedies of transparency, accountability and competition for top positions. Her most efficient techniques: public, detailed wealth statements and the establishment of the Anti-corruption Office (DNA).

The wealth statements produced "something unseen in Romania", Macovei says. "Very important politicians, never investigated before, were questioned" after they failed to explain the origins of their wealth. Macovei strengthened the independence of prosecutors, while producing regular reports on their efficiency. The DNA proved to be effective and impartial. It accused former Prime Minister Adrian Nastase of bribe taking, but has also investigated and indicted leaders of the current ruling coalition.

Faltering political will is a concern. Opposition has moved from the judicial establishment to the parliament's benches. Even her formerly staunch supporters from Democratic Party have started to distance themselves, and Macovei has now found it difficult to push through adoption of the final pieces of anti -corruption legislation, including the law on political parties funding. But she enjoys the support of powerful allies abroad.

Romania's experience underlines the importance of strengthening Western Balkan reformists. "The EU needs to team up effectively with local pro-reform actors. This only happened after the post-communist PSD lost power in 2004 and explains why the accession strategy in Romania has been plagued with difficulties," Gallagher says.
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