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Sociopaths: What do you think of them/us?

 
 
stuh505
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 06:23 pm
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So these guys go out to research and find correlations and come up with the most valid tests that they can find for a particular condition, and you're argument against that is "bullshit".


Yeah pretty much, because the mind is a very complex thing which is constantly changing. They don't really know what emotions you are feeling, or what reasons you have to say or do things. They don't really understand how the mind is supposed to work. Any idiot can tell you that a person is acting in a strange way but to label that person as a sociopath is a completely arbitrary judgement based on opinion.

You obviously take comfort by categorizing yourself in this way, but it means nothing, and is not an excuse to act in any particular way. Don't think that because someone considers you a sociopath that you aren't responsible for what you do.

It's just like kids with attention deficit disorder, aka "dont care about school" disorder. How about a disorder for "makes bad arguments" and "says annoying stuff" and "doesnt agree with stuh505."

The traits that characterize all these made up disorders are present in all of us.
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 06:58 pm
Oh my God! -- "says annoying things" "doesn't agree with stuh505"-- When I read those words, it was like you were talking right to me!!

*sob* *sob*

I've finally been diagnosed. Thank god for you, stuh505.

My name is Cyphercat, and I suffer from Iamannoyingtostuh Disorder. Won't you please donate today to help find the cure for this terrible affliction?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 07:17 pm
I think a lot of us humans go through so called sociopathic stages - I used to think it was primarily boys in early maturation to men, but I'll grant that it isn't gender confined or even age confined.

I'm not a psychologist - I thought psychopath was dumped as a term, and I've supposed sociopath has been too. As a lay person, I think of the term as describing an underlying condition of being bereft of empathy for others.

I suspect things can be more fluid and probably usually are, if not always.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 07:47 pm
Most of us probably have sociopathic tendencies. It's the acting it out that usually gets the reactions.
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minipb
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 02:12 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Most of us probably have sociopathic tendencies. It's the acting it out that usually gets the reactions.

What sociopathic tendencies?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:39 am
I used to have a fantasy about killing my ex-wife then going out and having a big steak and a piece of chocolate cake with my girlfriend. But if I actually did that I would probably feel bad.
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:15 am
What from the indigestion?
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:18 am
What's the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath then? Is it that the latter involves violence?
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:39 am
Dorothy Parker wrote:
What's the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath then? Is it that the latter involves violence?


What is the Difference Between a Psychopath and a Sociopath?
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The difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is somewhat blurred, at least according to the fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). DSM-IV lists both definitions together under the heading of Antisocial Personalities because they share some common traits. However, some professionals maintain there is a difference beyond the similarities.

Shared traits of the psychopath and sociopath include a complete disregard for the feelings and rights of others. This usually surfaces by age 15 and may be accompanied by cruelty to animals. These traits are distinct and repetitive, creating a pattern of misbehavior that goes beyond normal adolescent mischief.

Both the psychopath and sociopath fail to feel remorse or guilt. They appear to lack a conscience and are completely self-serving. They routinely disregard rules, social mores and laws, unmindful of putting themselves or others at risk.

Of the more distinguishing traits, some argue the sociopath to be less organized in his or her demeanor, nervous and easily agitated - someone likely living on the fringes of society, without solid or consistent economic support. A sociopath is more likely to spontaneously act out in inappropriate ways without thinking through the consequences.

Conversely, the psychopath tends to be extremely organized, secretive and manipulative. The outer personality is often charismatic and charming, hiding the real person beneath. Though psychopaths do not feel for others, they can mimic behaviors that make them appear normal. Upon meeting, one would have more of a tendency to trust a psychopath than a sociopath.

Because of the organized personality of the psychopath, he or she might have a tendency to be better educated than the average sociopath, who probably lacks the attentive skills to excel in school. While psychopaths can fly under the radar of society, many maintaining families and steady work, a sociopath more often lacks the skills and drive for mimicking normal behavior, making "seemingly healthy" relationships and a stable home less likely. From a criminal standpoint, a sociopath's crimes are typically disorganized and spontaneous, while the psychopath's crimes are well planned out. For this reason, psychopaths are harder to catch than sociopaths, as the sociopath is more apt to leave ample evidence in his or her explosions of violence.

Hence, while similar psychological traits might fall under the antisocial personality heading, from a social and criminalist point of view, the differences between a psychopath and a sociopath may be significant. According to experts, persons with a non-criminal history can also display lesser or varying degrees of either personality type.
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 03:14 pm
right, ok. Thanks echi.

x
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Chai
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 03:52 pm
Wow.

Thanks echi

I always thought my ex-husband was like a sociopath, but he was really more of a psychopath.

I thought is was the sociopath who would act a particular way in order to appear "normal"




stuhs right, I think some people look for a label, because that gives them an identity.


I'm still convinced if minipb is posting here, it's because he/she believes/knows it's a way to get something.

nickfun....you're correct too. we all have those tendencies, depending on what is happening to us at the time. I've shared this before....Once my ex and I were traveling across Idaho in 2 separate vehicles. He was ahead of me, and swerving back and forth, playing around, dodging tumbleweeds. It was really isolated and we probably hadn't passed another person coming from the other direction in at least half and hour. I remember wishing/thinking it would be so cool if he would just roll his truck and burst into flames. Then I'd be free. We were hours from anywhere, if the crash didn't kill him I could've just waited until I knew he was dead, and leave.

If that had happened, I'd have been fine with it to this day. The son of a bitch is still alive somewheres though, as far as I know.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 04:45 pm
Chai, not showing feeling for a specific individual isn't one of the traits of a socio/psycho-path. It's lacking ability to show feeling for anybody. I'm sure you had your reasons for no longer caring about your ex and I'm sure you still cared for other people at that time so we can't really count this as a sociopathic tendency at all.
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Chai
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 05:25 pm
stuh505 wrote:
Chai, not showing feeling for a specific individual isn't one of the traits of a socio/psycho-path. It's lacking ability to show feeling for anybody. I'm sure you had your reasons for no longer caring about your ex and I'm sure you still cared for other people at that time so we can't really count this as a sociopathic tendency at all.



I didn't mean I was a sociopath stuh....it was the point that we can all show those tendencies at times. The story I related was to impress it had come that far as far as what I would have let happen to get rid of him.

It was my ex-husband who was/is the psychopath I was refering to. It wasn't until after we were married he revealed that he was an empty shell that was good at pretending to have a personality.

I was the one who bore the brunt of his lack of feeling toward mankind, not vice versa.

He was the animal torturer, not me.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 06:01 pm
Ok...but dodging tumbleweeds is still ok, right? Sad
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Chai
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 06:05 pm
stuh505 wrote:
Ok...but dodging tumbleweeds is still ok, right? Sad


If you can find any in Raleigh.

Isn't that were Andy and Barn used to take the girls to on a special date?

No, that was Mount Pilot. Very Happy
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 06:27 pm
Hmm. I always thought my brother was a sociopath, and like chai, I am just learning he is actually a psychopath.

Has been in and out of prison, abusive to past wives and animals for as long as I can remember, totally non-feeling but can pretend to have them.

Not sure what to do with such people. I just completely shut him out of my life other than keeping track of where he is so I know not to be there. Tried to warn his current wife. She wouldn't listen.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 07:32 pm
I tortured small animals when I was a kid. I didn't exactly feel good about it, I felt bad...but somehow stirring up the emotions of guilt and morality was exciting. At the same time, I don't think I had it in me to shoot a deer when my dad took me out hunting. We never saw any so I didn't have to find out. I didn't have any problem shooting squirrels, though.

I could never hurt another person. I'm far too empathetic. Even in my daily life I seem to always be seeing the world from the perspective of other people more so than my friends. I even have a hard time giving people low grades when they do bad homework!

Still, there is something about the definition of a psychopath that I identify with...although I'm not exactly sure what, and I would never hide behind the label. We forge our own destinies.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 07:49 pm
As a young man, I went hunting with a 22 caliber pistol with several friends, and killed some animals. I think I changed during that period and now where the idea of shooting defenseless animals seems abhorrent.
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:24 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
stuh505 wrote:
Ok...but dodging tumbleweeds is still ok, right? Sad


If you can find any in Raleigh.

Isn't that were Andy and Barn used to take the girls to on a special date?

No, that was Mount Pilot. Very Happy


Yeah, but they talked about Raleigh too...wasn't that where Barn went to work after he left Mayberry, maybe?
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stuh505
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:37 pm
I'm not sure why I don't know about this Mt Pilot, but Andy is about one of the sanest characters I can think of ....and very dear to my heart Smile

<stuh>
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