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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:33 pm
Kara

Your last passage, like so many in Shakespeare, can be seen to be getting an amazing amount of narrative work accomplished. We learn the time of day, and what the weather is like, and we gain a sense of the quietness about and of the camaraderie of the men. Then, toss in the associations with a red sky in morning. And add to that the abrupt transition you mention which can, with no difficulty of the imagination at all, be seen to be consistent with the contrasts and oppositions that beset the rest of the play.

The guy had a way with words, didn't he?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 12:56 pm
If only O'Neill and Shaw had caught on and done away with their interminable stage directions...
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:29 pm
patiodog

Yes. Though to be fair, I've read Shakespeare closely and yet somehow am myself not able to do what he did.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:32 pm
(ha! very nice!) (actually, I like both O'Neill and Shaw well enough...)
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:44 pm
All competent writers and playwrights gain my respect in big scoops. But Will is quite something else. The composer/conductor Leonard Berstein, in describing one of Beethoven's symphonies said, "Each note follows each note inevitably." I've always taken that wonderful description as shorthand for .... "how the bloody hell could any mortal create something so perfect than any imagined alteration will surely diminsh what was done?" I read Shakespeare that way.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 01:46 pm
I think some of the plays stand in need of a little editing -- but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the one to figure out how. Like the Beethoven description; reminds me of the attitudes toward Mozart in Shaffer's "Amadeus" -- same idea -- or some of the soloes that poured out of Charlie Parker.
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 03:25 pm
JD, I've always loved those lines. Thanks for posting.
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 04:24 pm
Thank you Kara Very Happy
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Equus
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 04:55 pm
Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

Who steals my purse steals trash.

You all have seen how on the Lupercal I thrice presented him with a kingly crown which he did thrice refuse. Was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious and Brutus is an honorable man.
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept!
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff!
But Brutus says he was ambitions, and sure, he is an honorable man.
Oh Justice! thou art fled and men have lost their reason!
Bear with me, for my heart lies there in the coffin with Caesar and I must pause till it come back to me.

Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more! And fill the gap with our English dead!
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 05:50 pm
Equus

Lovely lines. And a nod to Shaeffer here too.
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Rae
 
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Reply Fri 6 Dec, 2002 08:38 pm
'The better part of valor is discretion, in the which better part I have saved my life.'
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JoanneDorel
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2003 05:46 pm
Whiltst the big year, sowll'n with some other grief,
Is though with child by the stern tryrant war.

Henry VI
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Booman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jan, 2003 06:01 pm
Yon Cassius is a lean and hungry man,
He thinks to much,
Such men are dangerous,
Put men about me who are fat and lazy,

...............That was either Shakespeare, are Sonny Liston! Very Happy
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langue or parole
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2003 04:59 am
shakespeare




'I would not wish

'Any companion in the world but you;'

'Nor can imagination form a shape,'

'Beside yourself, to like of.' the Termpest
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2003 06:28 am
langue or parole?- Welcome to A2K! Very Happy
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langue or parole
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2003 08:35 pm
Hi to all Shakespeare types
Phoenix32890 wrote:
langue or parole?- Welcome to A2K! Very Happy


A quote from Richard III:

"Executioner 1 : Where is thy conscience now?
Executioner 2 : I'll not meddle with it, it is a dangerous thing, it makes a man a coward. A man cannot steal, but it accuseth him; he cannot swear, but it checks him; he cannot lie with his neighbour's wife, but it detects him.it is a blushing, shamefaced spirit, that mutinies in a man's bosom."


if only our so called leaders were the men of conscience that they claim to be, but i'll save that conversation for the politics forum! Shakespeare was at his Machiavellan best in RIII.
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