Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 11:57 am
Mindonfire wrote:

The Bible is a key in itself. You have to read it with the help of the keys.

Here is the concept of One:

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Interesting concept you have there. However, I think you will find that not many, if anyone, will agree with you on this. I give you another take on it.

There was an objection that much time, and perhaps the time which had been supposed to be set for Christ's coming, had passed away, and still all things remained as they were. The reply of the apostle is, that no argument could be drawn from this, for that which may seem to be a long time to us is a brief period with God. In the infinity of his own duration there is abundant time to accomplish his designs, and it can make no difference with him whether they are accomplished in one day or extended to one thousand years. Man has but a short time to live, and if he does not accomplish his purposes in a very brief period, he never will. But it is not so with God. He always lives and we cannot infer because the execution of His purposes seems to be delayed, that they are abandoned. With Him who always lives it will be as easy to accomplish them at a far distant period as now.

Do you see the difference?
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 12:02 pm
Setanta wrote:
That's pathetic, even by the low standards of Pantsonfire. That verse in no way supports the idiotic contention that scripture teaches that Adam and Eve were a single individual. It also in no way supports the silly conentions by Pantsonfire about "oneness."


No One is stating that Adam and Eve were single persons in the sense that you presume.
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 09:38 pm
Corinthians 15:45 is a bad translation. The second Adam should not be capitalized. This is an incredibly important distinction to take into consideration. The first "Adam" in the passage is a proper noun. It is the name of a person. The name Adam is derived from the word man--God named him "Man." The second "Adam" is a common noun and shouldn't be capitalized because it means "man" in the general use of the word. Corinthians 15:45 talks about the two men that God supposedly played a role in bringing to this Earth. The first man, Adam, was a natural person of which the body came first and the spirit second. The last man, Jesus, was a spiritual person of which the body came second. The first man, Adam, was not spiritually transcendent, but the last man, Jesus, was.

(Are people tired of hearing me say "bad translation" yet?)
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 07:10 am
megamanXplosion wrote:
Corinthians 15:45 is a bad translation. The second Adam should not be capitalized. This is an incredibly important distinction to take into consideration. The first "Adam" in the passage is a proper noun. It is the name of a person. The name Adam is derived from the word man--God named him "Man." The second "Adam" is a common noun and shouldn't be capitalized because it means "man" in the general use of the word. Corinthians 15:45 talks about the two men that God supposedly played a role in bringing to this Earth. The first man, Adam, was a natural person of which the body came first and the spirit second. The last man, Jesus, was a spiritual person of which the body came second. The first man, Adam, was not spiritually transcendent, but the last man, Jesus, was.

(Are people tired of hearing me say "bad translation" yet?)


Why didn't they allow you to translate the Scriptures?
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 08:09 am
:p

Practically everytime I've used the words "bad translation" I am looking at the translation and scholar notes provided in the NET Bible.
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 11:13 am
megamanXplosion wrote:
:p

Practically everytime I've used the words "bad translation" I am looking at the translation and scholar notes provided in the NET Bible.


How do you know that those scholar notes are not "bad" or based on other "bad translations?"
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megamanXplosion
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 11:32 am
You are more than welcome to read their web site and find out...
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babyruth
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 03:40 pm
Mindonfire wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
dadpad wrote:
Just passing saw the light on and thought I'd drop in

Adam and Eve had 7 sons.

Adam is the father of the human race.

so where did the rest of us come from?

Were Eve and her sons engaged in incest?


They don't understand the concept of One. That is why they think that Adam and Eve were two individual people.


Now you are claiming that Adam and Eve were one and the same?????


Exactly as we stated, you do not even understand the concept of One.


Perhaps, instead of being condescending, you could enlighten me.



The Bible is a key in itself. You have to read it with the help of the keys.

Here is the concept of One:

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Are you trying to say that one Adam is a thousand Adams? That the story isn't about a real Adam and a real Eve, but about bunches of people? Next thing you'll say they weren't in the garden of Eden with the serpent, either, and it didn't happen back at the very beginning of creation. And from that other thread (forgot which one), who/what is God?
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 03:52 pm
babyruth wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
dadpad wrote:
Just passing saw the light on and thought I'd drop in

Adam and Eve had 7 sons.

Adam is the father of the human race.

so where did the rest of us come from?

Were Eve and her sons engaged in incest?


They don't understand the concept of One. That is why they think that Adam and Eve were two individual people.


Now you are claiming that Adam and Eve were one and the same?????


Exactly as we stated, you do not even understand the concept of One.


Perhaps, instead of being condescending, you could enlighten me.



The Bible is a key in itself. You have to read it with the help of the keys.

Here is the concept of One:

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


Are you trying to say that one Adam is a thousand Adams? That the story isn't about a real Adam and a real Eve, but about bunches of people? Next thing you'll say they weren't in the garden of Eden with the serpent, either, and it didn't happen back at the very beginning of creation. And from that other thread (forgot which one), who/what is God?


Oh no, there is a real Adam and a real Eve. There is a Garden of Eden and there is a serpent.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2006 05:58 pm
Ok, but nor Adam nor Jesus are God, they were merely mortals. There is only one God who is self-sufficient and ever lasting. Do you understand the concept of monotheism?
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:47 am
Raul-7 wrote:
Ok, but nor Adam nor Jesus are God, they were merely mortals. There is only one God who is self-sufficient and ever lasting. Do you understand the concept of monotheism?


Good friend, we know that Adam and Jesus are not God the Creator. Many Christians believe that Jesus is God. So we posed the question, if Jesus is God, then why not Adam?
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babyruth
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 05:43 pm
Mindonfire wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
Ok, but nor Adam nor Jesus are God, they were merely mortals. There is only one God who is self-sufficient and ever lasting. Do you understand the concept of monotheism?


Good friend, we know that Adam and Jesus are not God the Creator. Many Christians believe that Jesus is God. So we posed the question, if Jesus is God, then why not Adam?

Are we talking about the Adam from Genesis, or some other tall/arrogant being who may not be tall much longer? Just wondering.
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Mindonfire
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 07:55 pm
babyruth wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
Ok, but nor Adam nor Jesus are God, they were merely mortals. There is only one God who is self-sufficient and ever lasting. Do you understand the concept of monotheism?


Good friend, we know that Adam and Jesus are not God the Creator. Many Christians believe that Jesus is God. So we posed the question, if Jesus is God, then why not Adam?

Are we talking about the Adam from Genesis, or some other tall/arrogant being who may not be tall much longer? Just wondering.


The Adam from Genesis is the Adam that is here today. Nothing has changed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2006 09:54 pm
Mindonfire wrote:
babyruth wrote:
Mindonfire wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
Ok, but nor Adam nor Jesus are God, they were merely mortals. There is only one God who is self-sufficient and ever lasting. Do you understand the concept of monotheism?


Good friend, we know that Adam and Jesus are not God the Creator. Many Christians believe that Jesus is God. So we posed the question, if Jesus is God, then why not Adam?

Are we talking about the Adam from Genesis, or some other tall/arrogant being who may not be tall much longer? Just wondering.


The Adam from Genesis is the Adam that is here today. Nothing has changed.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.


Fine, MOF. Then you read the Bible as myth. So, why have you misrepresented your belief (sorry. . . your "knowledge") in previous posts? It's time for you to start giving us some answers and stop hiding behind all these stupid questions.

(I'm getting bored.)
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