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Wed 20 Sep, 2006 09:17 am
Adam is God
According to many of today's accepted Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. He is said to be the one and only God made flesh. Now, the Bible tells us that Jesus was the last Adam. So, if Jesus is God and the last Adam, then does this mean that the first Adam is also God?
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
Re: Adam is God
Mindonfire wrote:Adam is God
Now, the Bible tells us that Jesus was the last Adam.
What do you mean NOW the Bible tells us.Surely the Bible has been going for a very long time, it cant just all of a sudden say it.
In defense of Mindy, I call your attention to the comma between the words 'Now' and 'the'. It drastically changes the meaning of the sentence when omitted, as you did - accidentally, I'm sure.
Adam was the source of physical life that ends in death, and Jesus is the source of spiritual life that never dies.
We are bound to Adam through birth and we have the opportunity to be bound to Jesus through faith.
Intrepid wrote:Adam was the source of physical life that ends in death, and Jesus is the source of spiritual life that never dies.
We are bound to Adam through birth and we have the opportunity to be bound to Jesus through faith.
The point is, if your doctrines state that Jesus is God, then Adam is God also.
Are you limiting your proposition to one verse?
1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
A possible explanation is The last Adam The second Adam, or the "second man," 1 Cor. 15:47. That Christ is here intended is apparent, and has been usually admitted by commentators. Christ here seems to be called Adam because he stands in contradistinction from the first Adam; or because, as we derive our animal and dying nature from the one, so we derive our immortal and undying bodies from the other. From the one we derive an animal or vital existence; from the other we derive our immortal existence, and resurrection from the grave. The one stands at the head of all those who have an existence represented by the words, "a living soul;" the other of all those who shall have a spiritual body in heaven. He is called "the last Adam;" meaning that there shall be no other after him who shall affect the destiny of man in the same way, or who shall stand at the head of the race in a manner similar to what had been done by him and the first father of the human family. They sustain special relations to the race; and in this respect they were "the first" and "the last" in the special economy. The name "Adam" is not elsewhere given to the Messiah, though a comparison is several times instituted between him and Adam
Intrepid wrote:Are you limiting your proposition to one verse?
1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
A possible explanation is The last Adam The second Adam, or the "second man," 1 Cor. 15:47. That Christ is here intended is apparent, and has been usually admitted by commentators. Christ here seems to be called Adam because he stands in contradistinction from the first Adam; or because, as we derive our animal and dying nature from the one, so we derive our immortal and undying bodies from the other. From the one we derive an animal or vital existence; from the other we derive our immortal existence, and resurrection from the grave. The one stands at the head of all those who have an existence represented by the words, "a living soul;" the other of all those who shall have a spiritual body in heaven. He is called "the last Adam;" meaning that there shall be no other after him who shall affect the destiny of man in the same way, or who shall stand at the head of the race in a manner similar to what had been done by him and the first father of the human family. They sustain special relations to the race; and in this respect they were "the first" and "the last" in the special economy. The name "Adam" is not elsewhere given to the Messiah, though a comparison is several times instituted between him and Adam
You still havent explained why Jesus is God and why Adam is not?
Re: Adam is God
Mindonfire wrote:Adam is God
According to many of today's accepted Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. He is said to be the one and only God made flesh. Now, the Bible tells us that Jesus was the last Adam. So, if Jesus is God and the last Adam, then does this mean that the first Adam is also God?
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
good grief have you nothing better to do like picking up dog sh1t in the park?
Adam Ant is god ? ! ? ! ?
I thought his career petered out in the late 80s . . .
Mindonfire wrote:
You still havent explained why Jesus is God and why Adam is not?
And, you have not explained why Adam IS God. It is your thread, after all.
What was it that you didn't understand in the reply?
Intrepid wrote:Mindonfire wrote:
You still havent explained why Jesus is God and why Adam is not?
And, you have not explained why Adam IS God. It is your thread, after all.
What was it that you didn't understand in the reply?
To me it seems that relgion (all relgion) confounds those who think themselves to be wise.
By which one infers that you think that you are wise. If that is so, tell us what the word "relgion" means. That's not a word in English, unless i am very much mistaken.
Ok, you can say Jesus is Adam. But you cant say Adam is god...How then can he explell himself from the garden. Unless god is incredibly bipolar then this makes no sense. If you want to say Adam is Jesus, thats a little simpler, but it still has a ton of holes in that thoery. If he was Adam you think hed talk about the beginiing of the world a lot more. it just doesnt add up.
Intrepid wrote:Mindonfire wrote:
You still havent explained why Jesus is God and why Adam is not?
And, you have not explained why Adam IS God. It is your thread, after all.
What was it that you didn't understand in the reply?
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It is our thread but your doctrine. If Jesus is the last Adam and he is considered by your doctrines to be God. Then the conclusion is that Adam is also God.
EpiNirvana wrote:Ok, you can say Jesus is Adam. But you cant say Adam is god...How then can he explell himself from the garden. Unless god is incredibly bipolar then this makes no sense. If you want to say Adam is Jesus, thats a little simpler, but it still has a ton of holes in that thoery. If he was Adam you think hed talk about the beginiing of the world a lot more. it just doesnt add up.
The same way that you all state that Jesus is God and sent himself even though Jesus states that he did not come of his own. If God can be God and send himself and still run the universe as a man;then, why can't he be Adam and expel himself from the garden?
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Mindonfire wrote:Intrepid wrote:Mindonfire wrote:
You still havent explained why Jesus is God and why Adam is not?
And, you have not explained why Adam IS God. It is your thread, after all.
What was it that you didn't understand in the reply?
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It is our thread but your doctrine. If Jesus is the last Adam and he is considered by your doctrines to be God. Then the conclusion is that Adam is also God.
Did you bother to read my earlier post?
Just passing saw the light on and thought I'd drop in
Adam and Eve had 7 sons.
Adam is the father of the human race.
so where did the rest of us come from?
Were Eve and her sons engaged in incest?
Not according to the bible
Where in the world are you getting this Mind?
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