neologist
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 08:47 am
detano inipo wrote:
At the root of every war I can think of right now, there is religion.
Quite right. Even when other reasons may be stated, politicians still rely on the priesthood to deliver soldiers to the front.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 09:16 am
Actually, Hep, the more I live the more I realize that's just people.

Had you met these people for dinner not knowing they claim to be christians, would you have had the same reaction?

They just as easily could have been New Yorkers, or Catholics, or Atheists, or Hollywood actors, or elitists, or German (God, those friggin know it all Germans - Literally! Those Germans know EVERYTHING! Just read some of what Walter says. Very Happy ) Or, they could have been politicians, or bankers or French (another bunch of pompous ...) or anything else.

They are just people being people. There's a set of these types no matter where you go or who you know or that you are told otherwise. Their relationship to a church, synagogue or mosque doesn't make them that way, any more than your non affiliation makes you any of the bad things they may want to label you with.

Just people. Gotta love 'em. The alternative is for us all to be the same, which would be pretty boring.

Hope you had a great night out!
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Treya
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 12:02 pm
echi wrote:
You look good in both. Just go with whichever feels the best. (You're probably already gone, I reckon.) Don't have too mucn fun... sinner.


Thanks echi. Yup, I was out the door already and I had an awesome time.

neologist wrote:
You ask more questions than a yokel like myself can even begin to answer. So, can I pick just one?
hephzibah wrote:

. . .
If "God" is truly "God" and has power over all things why are you afraid of the devil? . . .

Because the world has been given into the hands of Satan for him to 'sift mankind as wheat' (See Luke 22:31)

Jesus reminded his disciples that "Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out." (John 12:31)

God could have destroyed Satan in the Garden of Eden. The reasons why he did not as well as God's plan for our redemption makes the subject of the entire Bible.


Sure neo, you can just pick one. And what a "one" you picked... LOL you sure you want to go down this road with me? Hehehe... Seriously though, I was "brought up" in the church to be afraid of satan. I was surrounded by people who seriously thought there was a demon or two or three on everyone's shoulders. Of course it ended up with them deciding that I was "demon possessed" and wanting to "cast those demons" right out of me.

Despite that I ended up walking away from "christianity" at that point I was still terrified of "the devil". Over the years though, the more I read the bible the more I began to believe that though the bible teaches the things you pointed out I don't believe that means to "fear" him as in be terrified of him. The only power anyone has over you or me is the power we give them through our fear. Think about this... If "God" would protect Jesus and allow Him to walk right through the midst of a crowd of people who were just about to throw him off a cliff, and we say that we believe "God" is our protector, why would He not do the same for us? Does He love us less than Jesus?

Intrepid wrote:
I like the black one. As for your first post.....very good questions and insight. Those women sound like pompous asses who do not, hopefully, reflect what Christians are all about.

Many "Christians" think that they have an in and are a step ahead and a foot above everybody else. Not so. Nobody, has anything ahead and they are not guaranteed a place in heaven any more than anybody else is.

Being a Christian and being a true believer with a hears attitude that would be pleasing to Jesus are not particularly synonymous. Being judgemental is not pleasing to God. They will have to answer for their own sins.

Be happy and enjoy. And, hold your head high. I will pray for them and for you.


Thanks intrepid. Smile It just bugs me to see the insecurity that the church breeds now a days. Because really intrepid, that's exactly what it boils down to.

squinney wrote:
Actually, Hep, the more I live the more I realize that's just people.

Had you met these people for dinner not knowing they claim to be christians, would you have had the same reaction?

They just as easily could have been New Yorkers, or Catholics, or Atheists, or Hollywood actors, or elitists, or German (God, those friggin know it all Germans - Literally! Those Germans know EVERYTHING! Just read some of what Walter says. Very Happy ) Or, they could have been politicians, or bankers or French (another bunch of pompous ...) or anything else.

They are just people being people. There's a set of these types no matter where you go or who you know or that you are told otherwise. Their relationship to a church, synagogue or mosque doesn't make them that way, any more than your non affiliation makes you any of the bad things they may want to label you with.

Just people. Gotta love 'em. The alternative is for us all to be the same, which would be pretty boring.

Hope you had a great night out!


Squinny, I know you are right. *sigh* I've cooled down sufficiently now. It just aggravated me at the time. Mostly because I felt like I was looking in a mirror where you could see how you used to be. Yes... I used to be JUST LIKE THAT. I wish you could have seen the look on their faces as they gasped, put their hand over their mouths with wide eyes and said, "Why... I would never..." Just like the women in the old time movies... LOL

And then... the reason for that last post... My friend from work was absolutely horrified that I would go out late at night, to a bar, with a guy, and have a few drinks. Shocked I think she was a little peeved that I would bail on all that "fun" with her and her "friends" to go out on the town. *sigh* I suppose she'd have a heart attack if she saw the two guys I brought home last night....







Just kidding! Laughing


We had an awesome time though. We sat on the outside porch of this bar right close to the beach and just watched the people. I love watching people. Drunk people can be especially entertaining.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 12:51 pm
Gad, I hate to get serious, even for a moment, but here goes anyway --

The reason that there is no need to fear Satan (this is all presupposing that one believes the stuff in the Bible to begin with) is that the devil has been given only one real power -- to tempt humankind. Satan has no power whatever over you, me or anyone else unless we succumb to the temptation. Now, granted, some of the temptations can be very enticing, indeed. But we have free will which enables us to resist any temptation if we want to resist it. It's simply a matter of knowing right from wrong. And that's just the definition of sanity, nothing more. It has nothing whatever to do with Christianity or Jesus.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 01:12 pm
Wow... very well put Merry. One question though... how does it have nothing to do with christianity or Jesus if that is where the idea originally came from?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 01:24 pm
hephzibah wrote:
One question though... how does it have nothing to do with christianity or Jesus if that is where the idea originally came from?


The idea of the devil is not a Christian notion. The Old Testament (what the Jews call the Torah) pre-dates Christianity by a couple of millenia. The serpent which tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden was just one incrnation of this same imp.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 02:53 pm
When i was young, I remember a lady that lived by my aunt...She liked to go out and party and have a wild time...She wasn't a christian...one night while she was out, her house burned down....IT was a very upsetting thing for her,,,,The next day she wanted to go to church just to get help and learn about God...When she went to the local church (in that community) they stood at the door and wouldnt allow her entrance.....This type of thing stayed with me and has always disgusted me....Sadly there are many out that there call themselves christians but act with selfrighteousness and hate...THis is contradictory to the teachings of Christ...we christians are called to love everyone and never look down on a person for whatever reason.........we are to stand against sin, Yes, but never ever judge or attack or act Pious.......Im sorry that you were subjected to people that claimed to be christians that treated you horribly...Anyone can call themselves a christian but if they dont follow the teachings of JEsus they arent a christian........
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 04:23 pm
detano inipo wrote:
At the root of every war I can think of right now, there is religion.


At the root of every war is greed.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 04:38 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
real life wrote:

How funny he was. Taking a stance like in the old westerns, he was very merry & drew.


Was your dad ever in the movies? Did he have a 'reel' life?


He hated having his picture taken and very few photos have survived him.

His reel life was when he took me trout fishing or bass fishing.

He loved getting out in the boat and relaxing. We never caught much, it was just the 'getting away from it all' that he loved.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:36 pm
Intrepid wrote:
detano inipo wrote:
At the root of every war I can think of right now, there is religion.


At the root of every war is greed.

At the root of all greed is insecurity and fear; same as religion.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:41 pm
hephzibah--
Are you saying that the concepts of right and wrong originally came from Christianity?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:47 pm
echi wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
detano inipo wrote:
At the root of every war I can think of right now, there is religion.


At the root of every war is greed.

At the root of all greed is insecurity and fear; same as religion.


Insecurity and fear may be your portion, but it is certainly not mine.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:53 pm
not your portion of what?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 16 Sep, 2006 09:17 pm
Portion of what you are prepared to accept. You seem to think that anybody of faith is insecure and fearful. You make a big assumption that you certainly cannot backup and have no evidence or facts to support it.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 06:28 am
Intrepid wrote:
Portion of what you are prepared to accept. You seem to think that anybody of faith is insecure and fearful. You make a big assumption that you certainly cannot backup and have no evidence or facts to support it.

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It seems to me that all believers are insecure and fearful. Talking of evidence and facts, the bible is full of cute stories, not facts. It is just another book that is interesting to some.
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 09:32 pm
echi wrote:
hephzibah--
Are you saying that the concepts of right and wrong originally came from Christianity?


Ummm no, I don't think I was. I think what I was trying to say was that I thought the whole concept of satan came from christianity.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 10:09 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Portion of what you are prepared to accept. You seem to think that anybody of faith is insecure and fearful. You make a big assumption that you certainly cannot backup and have no evidence or facts to support it.

No. I don't assume that anybody of faith is insecure OR fearful. I'm saying it's fear and insecurity that prepared them to accept their beliefs.
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 10:40 pm
Now, there's an interesting concept echi. Where do you get that from?
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 01:36 am
That concept was handed down countless generations of echis and hepzibahs and whatnots. Reason and learning go hand in hand. I think we all naturally value both.
Belief in the supernatural must be fear-driven; why else would believers deny reasoning when it seems to conflict with their religious beliefs yet still rely on the same method of reasoning for everything else?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 06:15 am
detano inipo wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Portion of what you are prepared to accept. You seem to think that anybody of faith is insecure and fearful. You make a big assumption that you certainly cannot backup and have no evidence or facts to support it.

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It seems to me that all believers are insecure and fearful. Talking of evidence and facts, the bible is full of cute stories, not facts. It is just another book that is interesting to some.


Are you saying that there is no historical fact in the bible? Pardon me while I wipe the tears of laughter from my face. Laughing

You had better do a bit of research before you make a fool of yourself.
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