farmerman wrote:Imagine, it was probably a bunch of scientists who spent time studying the Hobbit and made the corrections. Self policing is what science mostly does best. Now its the guys at NYT like that a**hole Nick Wade who will have to retract their stories. If rl had read the Nature article about the Hobbit, hed have seen that the announcements were "preliminary" and needed much confirmation since (and the article even said this) that there could be other explanations. I was skeptical even when it was reported because it was only a single issue of a small head. (SOmetimes , in a fossil find they mix up bones from many individuals. Im glad we can understand that the basic reearch game is not a simple task as clipping URLs . It took almost 35 years for the Piltdown man was shown to be a fake and that was basewd upon advances in chemistry and flourine dating.
You just have to read past the headlines in newspapers RL or even try to go to a University Library where nature or Science is on the stacks. We know your system of belief doesnt allow for research because, for you, its all been written down precisely well before science started muddling about.
Nobody ever said that scientists dont make mistakes. The real work goes into correcting them in front of the world. Its like giving a speech with your fly open. As a scientist your expected to "know everything" but if you screw up , you know theres a price to pay for jumping the gun too quickly.
Thats why Ted Daeschler hasnt been publishing more stuff about Tiktaalik until they are really finished with everything, He knows how the press can make you look like a complete dork if it doesnt understand the detail involved in arreiving at conclusions.
That's my point.
Are they gonna call a big news conference and mug for the camera to issue their correction, like they did for the initial announcement?
Or wait until they have landed a grant or two on the basis on their 'discovery' and just put out a 1 page press release?
We may be looking at the post-grant press release.
Statements like:
Quote:"This finding really does rewrite our knowledge of human evolution," said Chris Stringer, who directs human origins studies at the Natural History Museum in London. "And to have them present less than 20,000 years ago is frankly astonishing."
don't really sound 'preliminary' , do they?
And
Quote:"So the 18,000-year-old skeleton cannot be some kind of 'freak' that we just happened to stumble across," said one of the discoverers, radiocarbon dating expert Richard G. Roberts of the University of Wollongong in Australia.
turns out to be flat out wrong.
Also
makes me wonder just type of 'analysis' was done, especially when we read
Quote:The team further argues that the sole skull from the cave, part of a specimen labeled LB1, is deformed. Mirror imaging the left side of LB1's skull and putting those halves together creates a distinctly different face than two right halves put together in the same way (see picture). Such asymmetry suggests developmental abnormalities, the researchers report.
apparently you wouldn't have to be a Genius Treasure Hunter to figure out the lone skull was deformed.
The well crafted image of the scientist as an objective , cautious weigher of facts is blown to pieces by these guys who can't wait to get their face in front of the camera and utter the soundbyte of the year.
One wonders are they the exception, or the rule?
Human nature being what it is, you decide.
You can't really blame this on the media. (And I love blaming things on the media.)
But they aren't educated in science. They trust that these PhD's have their ducks in a row before they start telling whoppers. Guess not.