I think I'll just wait for Eorl to answer since he is the one that addressed this to me.
Yeah, sorry I been awol, but the others are right. I'm saying that the mere fact that two people can have different (even opposite) views of any given passage in the bible renders it useless as a means of determining anything unless your god helps you understand the meaning....in which case, why don't all people agree?
The first step in bridging the gap between the bible and science is to first accept that nothing in the bible can be taken as objectively true based on the bible alone.
Of course, we are interpreting words that are already an interpretation from the original text. Plus, it depends on which bible we use to make our own interpretations. < sigh >
So then, how do you expect others to follow your books' rules, when you admit that even you aren't certain you have the correct analysis?
How does one christian condemn their own child to death by refusing a blood transfusion, while the next christian screams murder....both opinions based on the same book?
Can't you see this is WHY the objective reality is important?? It's not a simple matter of personal choice.
Eorl,
Well, for me, the most important part of the Bible is the plan of salvation. I think most Christian religions are grounded in the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ.
Sure there are all kinds of doctrines out there. Seventh Day Adventists who believe the Sabbath is Saturday, some believe if you don't speak in tongues you aren't saved, some think you have to be baptized to be saved, etc. The plain and simple fact is, in my opinion, the message is a lot simpler than any of us make it.
the important bit being "in my opinion".....you see?
Eorl,
I understand what you are saying. I have gotten into the habit of putting in my opinion on things because a certain person likes to attack if I don't post something to back up an assertion if I make what can be called a declarative statement.
Eorl, it's a matter of knowing in your heart (you know what I mean here I believe) what is right for you. I don't have half the answers. I don't even know all the questions yet.
Yes, I understand. I'm glad you can admit that, and I am the same.
But how can someone know that it is right to let their child die, while another person knows in their heart it is right to remove that parents right to allow that child to die? How can we seriously determine anything if everyone's individual guess is the only guide?
I point this out to help you (and others) see how a non-religious person may see both the above positions as unsupportable (or what you might call "evil").
Logically, even if gods do exist, the best possible objective basis for morality and law should be determined as though NO gods existed....which is kinda what most courts throughout the world attempt to do.
Well, understanding my position is something, and I appreciate it, thankyou!
I'd love you to seriously look at the logic of what I've said here. (I don't need an answer) It's not about dismissing your god, it's about understanding the importance of not imposing your interpretation of your god's word on others.....and about why objective proof is important if you expect others to accept you imposing your rules on society.
(Imagine if the JW's were in the majority and transfusions were illegal? Even worse things happen in places like Iran, but for the same unproven religious reasons.)
As a book of "moral lessons" the Bible is a good tool (mostly). As history, science, mathematics, its bogus. The very articles that pants-on-fire quoted from Mark and copied by Matthew, had to do with how difficult it would be for the rich to enter heaven. After giving a parable about the rich man Jesus then told his posse, who were kvetching that they gave up everything to follow him, that because they gave up everything they would be first in line while the rich would be left out(when it came to queing up for paradise).
It was obvious that Jesus wasnt a conservative.
I wonder where some of this science interpretation comes from. Im certain that "Pants" copied this from some site that had no ideas about ionic radii or activity series.
i can't believe there have been 4 pages of discussion on this. it's ridiculous!
There was an even longer thread started by Xingu which attempted to look at the bible from a scientific point of view. However, the point here is a baseless contention about the "scientific wisdom" of the bible, and in that thread, Xingu was looking for evidence of the scientific inaccuracy of the bible.
This thread is a statement taken totally out of context and assigned to a different category, in which it cannot stand on its own. Its crap. Id still like to know where Pants found the quote. Im sure he didnt just make up the relationship of the quote to chemsitry.
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Keep laughing. He who laughs last laughs best. LOL
He who laughs last is because he didn't understand the joke.
snood wrote:...same reaction I get whenever I see a Satanist being real judgemental...
DS: 'I am god and everyone of you is god. There is no objective right or wrong.'
Someone with sense: 'I am not god and neither are you.'
DS: 'You are WRONG!'
real life wrote:
DS: 'I am god and everyone of you is god. There is no objective right or wrong.'
It becomes ever more obvious you don't have a clue about what I think, but that's ok. I think if you ever posted anything accurate I might have a heart attack.
Quote:
Someone with sense: 'I am not god and neither are you.'
sense: see - religious.
Quote:
DS: 'You are WRONG!'
There is no right or wrong, and I would never claim otherwise. Does your unbridled army of strawmen know no limits?
Doktor S wrote:real life wrote:
DS: 'I am god and everyone of you is god. There is no objective right or wrong.'
It becomes ever more obvious you don't have a clue about what I think, but that's ok. I think if you ever posted anything accurate I might have a heart attack.
Quote:
Someone with sense: 'I am not god and neither are you.'
sense: see - religious.
Quote:
DS: 'You are WRONG!'
There is no right or wrong, and I would never claim otherwise. Does your unbridled army of strawmen know no limits?
Are you saying that I am wrong?
Which part of my summarizing of your faith:
Quote:DS: I am god and everyone of you is god. There is no objective right or wrong
is wrong?
And is it wrong to you only, or do you think that everyone should recognize that it's wrong?
I don't have a faith.
I do not think everybody is god, or anyone for that matter.
However, certain empowered individuals might, through focused introspection, become their own.
I'm guessing you never did well with archery.
