Responsible For?

neologist wrote:

We suffer the consequence of Adam and Eve's sin. The punishment for their sin was/is death. Jesus lived and died so we might have the opportunity to be ransomed from the punishment.

Therefore prior to original sin there was no death, no form of reproduction, no evolution, no extinct species. Ok then, when I now kill a fly I can accomplish this because of original sin.

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You are held accountable for knowingly aiding an individual in the comittment of an offense. If you know that an individual is susceptible to a certain thing and you aid him in obtaining that thing then yes you are partly responsible. You are your brothers keeper.

And exactly how does this scripture even RELATE to what you are talking about here mindonfire? God was talking to Cain after he had murdered his brother. It's a totally different scenario. Totally different reasoning for God even asking. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you are refereing to it as meaning. Abel didn't kill himself. Cain didn't enable Abel to kill himself. Cain actually committed the crime, and Cains response was out of a guilty conscience. God knew Cain killed Abel. Cain knew God knew and yet he still tried to cover it up.

Intrepid wrote:

Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This says we should masturbate and have lots of sex.

Thats a fair enough opinion.Shows how the Bible can be interpreted so differently .

I dont think we should be held responsible.
If we give money to a begger that happens to take drugs as well, he has a choice of what to spend the money on.

so in theory,I could have read that, realised you are against me, harmed myself and youd be responsible for it?!

hephzibah wrote:

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You are held accountable for knowingly aiding an individual in the comittment of an offense. If you know that an individual is susceptible to a certain thing and you aid him in obtaining that thing then yes you are partly responsible. You are your brothers keeper.

And exactly how does this scripture even RELATE to what you are talking about here mindonfire? God was talking to Cain after he had murdered his brother. It's a totally different scenario. Totally different reasoning for God even asking. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you are refereing to it as meaning. Abel didn't kill himself. Cain didn't enable Abel to kill himself. Cain actually committed the crime, and Cains response was out of a guilty conscience. God knew Cain killed Abel. Cain knew God knew and yet he still tried to cover it up.

Well the scripture is relevant in this case because Cain feigned ignorance of his brother's whereabouts and condition. You are supposed to know your brother, you are supposed to be your brother's keeper. To feign ignorance is not an excuse. He is your brother or neighbor and his condition is partly your responsibility. That is why that question is posed.

The punishment of Adam and Eve's unintentional transgression was not death. One can easily ascertain this by looking at Genesis 3:20 where it says "Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, he must not be allowed to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." If God was worried about them becoming immortal then they obviously were not immortal before the transgression. Because immortality was never taken from them, and they were later banned from Eden but not killed, death was not a punishment. However, this presents a major problem in the story. The serpent told Eve that she would not die, and she didn't, and that she would become wise like the gods, and she did. God, however, said that she would surely die if she ate from the tree. The serpent was truthful.

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

We suffer the consequence of Adam and Eve's sin. The punishment for their sin was/is death. Jesus lived and died so we might have the opportunity to be ransomed from the punishment.

Therefore prior to original sin there was no death, no form of reproduction, no evolution, no extinct species. Ok then, when I now kill a fly I can accomplish this because of original sin.

You presume much in your use of the word 'therefore'. Adam and Eve (according to the Bible) knew what death was. And they had been told to 'be fruitful and become many'. (Genesis 1:28)

Adam and Eve (according to the Bible) knew what death was.

We suffer the consequence of Adam and Eve's sin. The punishment for their sin was/is death.

Adam and Eve (according to the Bible) knew what death was. And they had been told to 'be fruitful and become many'. (Genesis 1:28)

The mathematics of uncontrolled growth are frightening. A single cell of the bacterium E. coli would, under ideal circumstances, divide every twenty minutes. That is not particularly disturbing until you think about it, but the fact is that bacteria multiply geometrically: one becomes two, two become four, four become eight, and so on. In this way it can be shown that in a single day, one cell of E. coli could produce a super-colony equal in size and weight to the entire planet Earth.

We suffer the consequence of Adam and Eve's sin. The punishment for their sin was/is death.

That makes no sense at all as death was not a factor before original sin.

Actually chumly death WAS a factor because they had not eaten from the tree of life, therefore they were not going to "live eternally" until they did, which is why God kicked them out of the garden, so they wouldn't live eternally in a state of sin. Just saying... ya know?

We suffer the consequence of Adam and Eve's sin. The punishment for their sin was/is death.