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Eorl wrote:

AsI expect we all have Intrepid

Be that as it may or may not be. Selfruled started the threads of which I allude to.

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Eorl wrote:

Yes, but can you support that?

My church has some good statistics that demostrate the correlation between global temperatures and the number of pirates:

http://www.venganza.org/

Statistics don't mean the world to me but they can certainly jump-start our conversation:

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Exactly what are these stats supposed to prove, support or confirm?

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Intrepid wrote:

Eorl wrote:
AsI expect we all have Intrepid

Be that as it may or may not be. Selfruled started the threads of which I allude to.

Right; but have you got to say for yourself? Besides jumping from forum to forum celebrating Frank's little stunts? :wink:

It's hard to start a debate when all you find is nonsense and ad hominem...

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I celebrate nothing about Franks. I guess I am still waiting for you to start a debate.

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selfruled wrote:

Actually I'd say that because some countries are not too religious their citizens have a greater appreciation for a life well lived and a greater respect for their fellow citizens based on positive enforcement; instead of the threat of punishment by an angry god.

Do you read the messages Intrepid?

This is what I propose and those are the numbers that can get the conversation started.

Your turn.

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selfruled wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Yes, but can you support that?

My church has some good statistics that demostrate the correlation between global temperatures and the number of pirates:

http://www.venganza.org/

Statistics don't mean the world to me but they can certainly jump-start our conversation:

Source:
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

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So, you are claiming that life, for instance. in Russia is better than North America or Western Europe?

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selfruled wrote:

Eorl wrote:
Yes, but can you support that?

My church has some good statistics that demostrate the correlation between global temperatures and the number of pirates:

http://www.venganza.org/

Statistics don't mean the world to me but they can certainly jump-start our conversation:

How do you figure sulfruled? If you aren't even willing to stick your neck out there even a little bit and say something....

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Intrepid; I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that...

Exactly how do you figure your statement makes any sense at all?

I know you didn't bother to check the chart but I'm dying to find out if you still think that Russia is populated by an "angry mob of god-hating comunists..." Rolling Eyes

Wait; don't tell me:

You have a framed picture of Ronald Reagan in your living room right? Very Happy

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Heph:

This is part of what I've said so far:

"Actually I'd say that because some countries are not too religious their citizens have a greater appreciation for a life well lived and a greater respect for their fellow citizens based on positive enforcement; instead of the threat of punishment by an angry god."

Do you read the messages? or you just kind of trail behind the last comment posted? Rolling Eyes

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selfruled wrote:

Intrepid; I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that...

Exactly how do you figure your statement makes any sense at all?

I know you didn't bother to check the chart but I'm dying to find out if you still think that Russia is populated by an "angry mob of god-hating comunists..."

Wait; don't tell me:

You have a framed picture of Ronald Reagan in your living room right?

Pretend all you want. So far, you haven't made an ounce of sense in anything you have said.

You ask why my statement makes any sense.

It was in answer to your statement -

Quote:

I say that as we become less religious the world becomes a better place to live in.

I am asking if Russia is a better place to live. Can't you answer?

Why would a Canadian have a picture of Reagan or any other American politician in his livingroom? I thought this was a Religion thread...not Politics. Rolling Eyes

Now I see why Frank is having fun with you. You are a hoot.

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Quote:

Heph:

This is part of what I've said so far:

"Actually I'd say that because some countries are not too religious their citizens have a greater appreciation for a life well lived and a greater respect for their fellow citizens based on positive enforcement; instead of the threat of punishment by an angry god."

Do you read the messages? or you just kind of trail behind the last comment posted?

Looky here mister...

Oh yeah I did...

Oops...

Yep, you're gonna fit right in around here I predict... Cool

Keep them rolly eyes to yourself buddy... sheesh... :wink:

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Intrepid wrote:

"I am asking if Russia is a better place to live. Can't you answer?"

You are serious aren't you?

Lemmmee think.... NO!!??

Why would I say that? didn't you see Russia all the way down at the bottom of the chart?

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You are totally confusing me. If you accept my assertion, then you have defeated your original claim that countries with less religion are better countries. Maybe you should get some rest.

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Intrepid wrote:

You are totally confusing me. If you accept my assertion, then you have defeated your original claim that countries with less religion are better countries. Maybe you should get some rest.

I'll have to post my original proposal here; tell me please if the word "some" isn't spelled properly:

Actually I'd say that because SOME countries are not too religious their citizens have a greater appreciation for a life well lived and a greater respect for their fellow citizens based on positive enforcement; instead of the threat of punishment by an angry god.

Now tell me why is it that out of all the original questions this thread started with you simply decide to ignore them all to defend a god I haven't even begun to shred to pieces...

News flash:

Russia is a very religious country.

Now you can get some rest; don't feel pressured to answer today.

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Exactly my point. Your original map showed only certain countries to be religious, but not Russia. You then post a chart that shows the quality of life in Russia to be in the lower quadrant.

Now you claim that Russia is a religious country. What kind of childish games are you playing? If you expect to have serious dialogue, you should at least post in a serious manner.

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Oh; I see...

You see, Russia isn't considered in the map at all! there is a difference; Mexico's stats aren't shown either nor China's.

Are you color-blind?

Ok; repeat after me:

"Russia is very much a religious country". Very Happy

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You don't seem to have any concept of what you are doing. You post a map that purports to support your claims. You are shown that, based on your evidence, you are wrong. You then change the rules and claim that other countries are not represented either. You either make a claim and back it up or you shut up.

It makes one wonder why you started the thread in the first place.

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Look here my friend:

I will conduct myself in this forum in the manner which I find more convenient as long as I don't violate the site's rules. I've dealt with these situations hundreds of times so don't expect me to run for cover before your pathetic attempt to invalidate my original question by using and abusing ad hominem.

Solidarity will not get you very far, confusing the arguments maybe will buy you some time, pointing out a typing mistake is pitiful! and pretending not being able to understand only confirms the agnostic nature of your spirit; so read this brief message and weep for your emotional crutch later:

SOME countries as they've become less religious have been able to offer their citizens a higher quality of life. This is supported by the map and the stats I've posted so far. This is not the word of god; you don't have to agree with me or with the evidence presented; you're welcome to offer your opinion on the facts not on selfruled. If you feel better atacking the person rather than the facts it only proves that your substancial debate experience hasn't really helped you become a more informed individual; worse yet; it proves that emotion, not reason rules your forum participation. Crying or Very sad

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