The Cosmos, is it really there?

Yes, i'd say life is a continuum.

And I don't think god can see anything. God can exist, but it's activity is gravity, electro-magnetism, weak and strong nuclear force and a lot of other things that we cannot as easily agree on.

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Nietzsche said that grammar is the metaphysics of the masses. He also said somewhere that without grammar people would not believe in a god--I would add, or a self. grammar's bifurcation of subject and object, of doer and doing, of agent and action, etc. requires a creator of creation, an ego-sinner and sinnings, an agent like cause of effects, etc.
Sit and just look at your immediate life without this grammatical corset and you'll sense that that there are no gods, no selves, no agents, no causes, only phenomena dancing freely across the screen of consciousness.

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Truth is like a crystal ball, and I have to break it to give it to you. When you recieve it you have to piece it back together, but it will never be as shiny and perfect as it was before it was shattered by the hammer of grammar.
It's why wisdom can never be conveyed, only experienced.

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Cyracuz wrote:

If god is real, then how can he be outside reality?

...The fact that necessity and total detachment cause infinite ease and facility is an extremely profound mystery. We shall facilitate understanding of it with the following comparison:

The degrees of existence are different. And the worlds of existence are all different.

Because they are all different, a particle from a level of existence which is deeply rooted in existence is as great as a mountain from a level of existence that is less substantial than its level; it contains the mountain.

For example, the faculty of memory, which is the size of a mustard-seed in a head from the Manifest World, takes on an existence the size of a library from the World of Meaning.

And a mirror the size of a fingernail from the external world encompasses a mighty city from the level of the World of Similitudes.

If the memory and the mirror from the external world had possessed consciousness and creative power, they would have been able to bring about endless transformations and activity in the Worlds of Meaning and Similitudes through the power of their minute existences in the external world.

That is to say, when existence is firmly established, power increases; what is only a little becomes like much.

Especially after existence has attained to complete stability, if it is disengaged and detached from materiality and is not restricted, then only a partial manifestation of it will be able to transform many worlds of other less substantial levels of existence.

Thus, And God's is the highest similitude, the Glorious Maker of the universe is Necessarily Existent.

That is, His existence is essential, it is pre-eternal, it is post-eternal, its non-existence is impossible, its cessation is impossible; it is the most firmly rooted, the most sound, the strongest, and the most perfect of the levels of existence

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Cyracuz wrote:

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What? Try using english grammar.

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One thing cannot be an obstacle to another.

In the word 'cannot' the letters n,o,t at the end are the obstacles to this sentence making any kind of sense.

Difficult, but I try..

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Cyracuz wrote:

Yes, i'd say life is a continuum.

And I don't think god can see anything. God can exist, but it's activity is gravity, electro-magnetism, weak and strong nuclear force and a lot of other things that we cannot as easily agree on.

....Is it easier for a watch-maker to make the cog-wheels of a clock, and then arrange them and put them in order to form the clock?

Or is it easier for him to make a wonderful machine in each of the cog-wheels, and then leave the making of the clock to the lifeless hands of those machines? Is that not beyond the bounds of possibility?...

23.flashes BSN

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....Is it easier for a watch-maker to make the cog-wheels of a clock, and then arrange them and put them in order to form the clock?

Or is it easier for him to make a wonderful machine in each of the cog-wheels, and then leave the making of the clock to the lifeless hands of those machines? Is that not beyond the bounds of possibility?...

Yes, it is easier for him to do either one than to agree on those other things.
An 'other thing' might be what words mean.

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kev
Regarding your description of 'worlds of existence'

I've had similar thouhts after reading about string theory and M theory, a set of theories in quantum mechanics, that predict the existence of eleven dimensions. Seven dimensions in addition to the four we know.

But a difference between our views, I think, is that I see existence as a whole, spread equally over eleven dimensions, existing in all of them simultaneously.

Conventional physics operate with four dimensions, three spatial and one temporal (time).

Our senses can only detect the spatial dimensions.

But then you introduce the word 'god' and I am no longer sure what you mean. What is god?

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Perhaps time and randomness.

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RexRed wrote:

What I am proposing is that just outside of our solar system is a giant IMAX video screen. God is just beyond that, closer than we think.

Neighboring solar systems don't really exist, they are actually visual illusions of our own solar past played back to us, like re-runs of remarkable earlier events taking place over billions of years.

admittedly, i have not read the entire thread... i have to go to work... but when i saw this i had to ask a question. God being on "the other side" of this screen... and events taking place over billions of years... doesnt' the bible propose that the earth (and our solar system, since they were all made at the same time) is only like 6000 years old?

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USAFHokie80 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
What I am proposing is that just outside of our solar system is a giant IMAX video screen. God is just beyond that, closer than we think.

Neighboring solar systems don't really exist, they are actually visual illusions of our own solar past played back to us, like re-runs of remarkable earlier events taking place over billions of years.

admittedly, i have not read the entire thread... i have to go to work... but when i saw this i had to ask a question. God being on "the other side" of this screen... and events taking place over billions of years... doesnt' the bible propose that the earth (and our solar system, since they were all made at the same time) is only like 6000 years old?

The Bible teaches of three heavens and earths. The first was during evolution, the second was Eden and the third heaven and earth is yet in the future.

So Biblically there were millions of years "before" Eden. 6000 years back to Eden.

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Cyracuz wrote:

kev
But then you introduce the word 'god' and I am no longer sure what you mean. What is god?

I don't hope you to understand these lines perfectly,.. but they are so important about what God is..

''Like one struck points to the striker, and a finely fashioned work of art necessitates the artist, and an offspring requires a parent, and an under surface demands a top surface, and so on... like all these qualities known as relative matters which are not absolute and cannot exist without each other, contingency, which is apparent in particulars in the universe as well as in it as a whole, points to necessity.

And the state of being acted upon which is to be seen in all of them points to an act, and the createdness apparent in all of them points to creativity, and the multiplicity and composition to be seen in all demand unity.

And necessity, an act, creativity, and unity clearly and necessarily require one who is not contingent, acted upon, numerous, compounded, and created, but bears the attributes of being necessary, an agent, one, and a creator.

In which case, all contingency, states of being acted upon, createdness, multiplicity and composition testify to the Necessarily Existent One, the One Who acts as He wills, the Creator of All Things, the Single One of Unity.

Just as necessity is apparent from contingency, the act from the state of being acted upon, and unity from multiplicity, and the existence of the former indicate the latter with certainty, in the same way, qualities like createdness and having all their needs provided for, which are to be seen in beings, clearly point to the existence of attributes like Making and Providing.

In turn the existence of these attributes point necessarily and self-evidently to the existence of an All-Compassionate Maker Who is a Creator and a Provider.

That is to say, with the tongues of the hundreds of attributes of this sort which they bear, every being testifies to hundreds of the Necessarily Existent One's Most Beautiful Names.

If this testimony is not admitted, it becomes necessary to deny all the attributes of this sort pertaining to beings...'' BSN 25.word

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You are speaking about dualism.

The only thing being implied is a self to make these connections, and for that self to contain a series of assumptions regarding it's nature.

These assumptions in turn affect every experience of the self.

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Could all of the galaxies just be glimpses of our own sun and solar system in past stages of it's growth?

no bye

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Were there no cosmos, thousands of cosmotologists would be unemployed.

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Well, you could argue on wether or not they were employed in the first place, just staring at the sky all day Smile

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The hallmark of science is to deduce conclusions from evidence, and to test them with experiment. The currently accepted theories on this subject have been derived painstakingly by a thousand years of study and careful deduction. I'm sure that your intuition is superior to the painstaking work of generations of professionals, but could you provide some evidence to suggest that your version of the cosmos is the correct one?

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There are roughly 200 billion galaxies in the visible unverse. The enormity of the entire picture, including other unverses, is beyond our tiny minds to grasp. However, we will never stop seeking.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Well, you could argue on wether or not they were employed in the first place, just staring at the sky all day

What about all the make up and lipsticks and stuff? Where would we be withoout that?

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We'd still be here. There would just be a lot fewer of us...

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