Hell, who gets sent there?

I have read your Bible. I understand where you are coming from. With you it's all emotional preaching and no thought to what's possible. You may use whatever language you choose and it will still be the level of a five year old, understanding wise.

There are people you trust, people I would trust, Edgar would rank on the top of my list of people I would trust. He's honest.

I have read your Bible. I understand where you are coming from. With you it's all emotional preaching and no thought to what's possible. You may use whatever language you choose and it will still be the level of a five year old, understanding wise.

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.

Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; Leviticus 21:14-21

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23

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A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.

Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; Leviticus 21:14-21

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A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23

If the above is true then heaven will be a very lonely place

We need paradise but also hell.. If there is no paradise , there is no hell.. They r twin concepts..

And to I said to the savior, "Lord, was it not the serpent that taught Adam to eat?" The savior smiled and said, "The serpent taught them to eat from wickedness of begetting, lust, (and) destruction, that he (Adam) might be useful to him. And he (Adam) knew that he was disobedient to him (the chief archon) due to light of the Epinoia which is in him, which made him more correct in his thinking than the chief archon. And (the latter) wanted to bring about the power which he himself had given him. And he brought a forgetfulness over Adam."

And I said to the savior, "What is the forgetfulness?" And he said "It is not the way Moses wrote (and) you heard. For he said in his first book, 'He put him to sleep' (Gn 2:21), but (it was) in his perception. For also he said through the prophet, 'I will make their hearts heavy, that they may not pay attention and may not see' (Is 6:10).

The Apocryphon of John 120-180 C.E.

I am just laying out what the Bible says in contrast to the error you have all been taught that is says. Ask Neo, he see's the same void in your understanding that I do and we have both come from different religions.

It seems the out in the world understanding of the Bible has drifted nearly 108 degrees from what the Bible actually says. If you knew what we know and then said it was a bunch of bull I would accept that. But none of you even know what it means and you are followers of followers of followers. It takes a leader to go into the Bible and read it for yourself then you realize you have been following error. Plain and simple.

Hollywood, the catholic church teaches this error and most protestants teach this error also... You couldn't have escaped learning this error easily.

Since many of you seen oblivious to this (except maybe for Neo and possibly a few others) it would behoove you to listen and THEN make your judgments.

I might implore you to not just listen but to give it some thought considering you have been living so long with rank misconceptions thanks to the out in the world Christian "religion".

If I can get through this without all the attacks on my character you may learn something? If it is that you just don't want to learn if from me, TOO BAD... I am going to teach it anyway.

Is the Bible the truth? I think so. Is it wisdom? I recognize it as God's wisdom not man's wisdom. This is why it seems foolish to us sometimes because it runs against our natural inclinations. God's "foolishness" is man's wisdom.

It is foolish to think that something invisible will put something visible on the dinner table but the is exactly what God is asking of us.

It is the wisdom of God not human pride and "wisdom"...

We need to get inside the Bible to the inner intended meaning and leave all this religion behind.

Psalms 69:5
O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

Proverbs 15:2
The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

1Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

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When people apply their high and mighty wisdom (as Frank does) to the Bible the meaning is revealed to them as foolishness.

The true revelation of the scriptures are only revealed in meekness.

James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Ok so now only a select few know the answer and they are better than everyone else. What the bible says is simple, "I was written by man", "I don't translate very well", "I am full of errors", "Everyone twists me to get their own meaning", "I sell very well", etc etc

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And to I said to the savior, "Lord, was it not the serpent that taught Adam to eat?" The savior smiled and said, "The serpent taught them to eat from wickedness of begetting, lust, (and) destruction, that he (Adam) might be useful to him. And he (Adam) knew that he was disobedient to him (the chief archon) due to light of the Epinoia which is in him, which made him more correct in his thinking than the chief archon. And (the latter) wanted to bring about the power which he himself had given him. And he brought a forgetfulness over Adam."

And I said to the savior, "What is the forgetfulness?" And he said "It is not the way Moses wrote (and) you heard. For he said in his first book, 'He put him to sleep' (Gn 2:21), but (it was) in his perception. For also he said through the prophet, 'I will make their hearts heavy, that they may not pay attention and may not see' (Is 6:10).

The Apocryphon of John 120-180 C.E.

I really can't make heads or tails of what your real point or question is?

Also the Bible was written by "holy" men BUT inspired by God...

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Also anyone with "meekness" can understand it if they study IT instead of just what others say about it in laziness and dis-concern.

kevnmoon wrote:

We need paradise but also hell.. If there is no paradise , there is no hell.. They r twin concepts..

why?

certainly you can have one without the other.

There are many books written by "Holy men" in many different cultures and religions, I have read many of them, read the bible, read the hebrew version. I examined many different new age versions and yet you try to imply otherwise just because i disagree with their teachings. It seems you are the one who has skipped several chapters in the belief that you know the answer.

You state you are in the "know", so what is it ?

"Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died."

Socrates

The canon as we know it had been well established for over a century before Constantine.

Muratorian Fragment, a very ancient list of the books of N.T. first pub. in 1740 by Muratori (Ant. Ital. Med. Aev. iii. 851) and found in a 7th or 8th cent. MS. in the Ambrosian Library at Milan.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/info/muratorian-wace.html

It was discovered by Ludovico Antonio Muratori in a manuscript in the Ambrosian Library in Milan, and published by him in 1740. * It is called a fragment because the beginning of it is missing. Although the manuscript in which it appears was copied during the seventh century, the list itself is dated to about 170 because its author refers to the episcopate of Pius I of Rome (died 157) as recent

http://www.bible-researcher.com/muratorian.html