Finally, men talk about their penises.

Diane, you say the a woman's breasts aren't neccesary for sex.
As a simple hertro male I would have to disgree with you. They are completely idea and wholey attractive and very stimulating, for me that is.
My wife thinks that many men are intimidated by women with large busts. There must be some funny men out there

watch it about breast size, OAK.........smallish, round breasts have their advantages as well. :-) It's not how deep the well, but how one swings the bucket, you know.

now theres a new topic indeed "BOOB SIZE." actually bigger is NOT better in IMO.

Nor is bigger better in my opinion, either, dys. I was delighted, for instance, to be able to give up my bra, and if my breasts were real large, I probably would still be wearing the damn harness. And that is what it is, like binding the feet.

KP, I could easily understand why you and your friend found the idea of cutting into the dead man's penis to be terribly uncomfortable. Now, go ahead and tell us the spooky story--I love spooky stories!

Cav, oh heavens, the thought of all those pearls is a little painful. I wonder if they had the same effect that some say piercing does?

John, lots of men are still attracted to very large breasts, though that seems to be changing. I know a couple of women who have had breast reduction operations because of back trouble caused by the weight of their breasts as well as wanting a more proportional look.

Lola, you've brought back some fond memories. First discoveries are sometimes the sweetest.

Dys, if you want to start a new thread on boob size, be my guest. I'm sure many people would be happy to weigh in on the subject!

Sumac, Yep, the old bras are called flopper stoppers. Harness is a good name for them. LOL

Do any of you have a favorite story? I loved Liam's story, almost hearing his Irish brogue. After reading Angela's Ashes, I was not surprised at his more reticent attitude toward having sex as a sort of conquest. It also made me go looking for my book of Pablo Neruda's poetry.

The chauffeur's story reminded me of the movie Alfie, with his growing realization that there needs to be more than just sex for any emotional growth or development of a meaningful relationship.

OaK, your wife is right, some men are intimidated by large breasts. But they are definitely in the minority! And I don't believe for a minute that most women buy into the "smaller is better" line. Look at how common implants have become...much more common than breast reduction surgeries.

I think most women would ideally like their breasts to be a little larger than average. (Same as men and their penises!)

Ok, where's that breast thread?
(I just don't have the courage, ...)


Anything more than a handful is superfluous, bulky and unwieldy!
See, commercials are designed to make you unhappy,
so when breasts are small, large will be designated to be attractive,
and when breasts are large, small ones will be deemed attractive.

Whatever you have to pay money to change! Very few people make up their own minds, but "think" they are thinking for themselves.

And a bag of salt water in there? How GROSS is that? You don't even know if what you're touching is real or a piece of Barbie! A woman with a boob job is like a woman who smokes ... major turnoff! You can often even feel the creases and folds inside there.... (shiver!) That's just my reaction though. I'd rather date a woman with a mastectomy than augmentation! At least it's honest and real.

I imagine the same goes for the Mister, too. How many women here would like to date a guy who brags about using a CO2 cartridge to inflate his member?

(See, this does have to do with penises!)

A CO2 cartridge to.............?!

Penile implants usually use a small hand pump on the waist, not a CO2 cartridge, so I was only joking ... (phew, stop that rumor quick!)

Other implants that men have been known to use for augmentation: calves, quads, buttocks, pectorals, biceps, permanent mascara (tattoo). Not to mention the usual body modifications, but visible art is another category.

How DO you feel about it? How would you like to sleep with an arm around you, or against a breast or penis, that you're not quite sure is what it seems to be?



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Physical stuff is certainly not the main basis for a real relationship ("Fall in love with the person, the rest will follow...") but most folks do have some general preferences!

An old soldier was celebrating 82 years on this Earth. He spoke to his toes.
"Hello, toes!" he said, "how are you, toes? You know, you are 82 today.
Oh, the times we've had! Remember when we walked in the park in summer every Sunday afternoon? The times we waltzed on the dance floor? Happy birthday, toes!"

"Hello, knees," he continued. "How are you, knees? You know you're 82 today. Oh, the times we've had! Remember when we marched in the parade? Oh, the hurdles we've jumped together. Happy
birthday, knees!"

Then, he looked down at his crotch. Hello Willy! If you were alive today, you'd be 82 years old!"

Lola, of course you are right. The size of a woman's bust isn't a criteria of desireability. Big or small is just fine. Breast implants are not as good as the natural breast.
As for penile implants, well I don't see the point. In fact I would think it could be quite uncomfortable. So I'll stick with what I've got, what ever size it is.

Well....since we brought up breast size....ladies? You know what I'm getting at...does size matter?

Viz I will have to disagree with you on this one. I failed the "pencil test" in the late sixties and have not worn a bra since (except for certain decorative purposes when the time is right.) I don't have large breasts. They're more, let's say............coffee cup size. I've had no enhancement surgery on my breasts (but the face now, well.......that I've had, and it looks good in my opinion.) I like my breasts and always have. I'm short, small, 5'2", 110 lbs. and a bit athletic (muscle definition). Large breasts do not enhance my appearance (or improve my racquetball game). When I was nursing my babies, my breasts were large and I disliked the way I looked at that time. I do however admire large breasts on women whose stature allows it. I love the way I look. I'm used to it and I think it's appealing to many. But my look is only one of many that can be desirable. Women come in all sizes. IMO, it's not the size (I'm talking about breast size here) that matters as much as how a woman puts herself together. One must know how to emphasize what one has. It's a work of art really.

Now to men's penis sizes. I find that it matters not about the size of a penis. (Well, within reasonable boundaries.) What really matters to me are technique and staying ability.

So that's my opinion. Thanks for the opportunity, Diane for this little editorial.

Lola -- you are certainly right. Not everyone would look right with large breasts. It's the overall package that counts, and proportion matters. I'm 5'7" with broad shoulders and hips, and small breasts would look ridiculous on me. I've always been pleased with my size, and the men in my life have been, um, enthusiastic.

But I know many women who are not happy with their size. I imagine you do, too. I have several friends who have breast implants...most are very happy with them, and so are their husbands/significant others. But I also know a couple of women who had theirs removed at about the age of 60 because of long-term problems.

Re: men's penis sizes...very large is uncomfortable, very small is not satisfying, but on the whole I agree with you, technique is DEFINITELY the most important.

(Note: I have nothing against plastic surgery. If there is something about a person's physical appearance that bothers them enough to consider going under the knife, I think they should go for it. In fact, I'm planning to do something about my inherited double chin when I turn 50 in a year or two. It will be my present to myself. It has bothered me since I was a teenager, and I've put up with it long enough.)

I read elsewhere that the average size of a human erect penis, 6 inches, is ideal for full penetration with a woman's vagina. It seems they were made for each other. Like hand in glove so to speak

Perhaps not the best analogy, OaK, but very funny!!!

Sumac--I loved your joke!! At least the old guy had a sense of humor, hee, hee. (I wonder if Willie did?)

Size really doesn't seem to matter, especially for those past the teen years when it's all pretty intimidating and bragging rights are so important.

Oak, as usual, you are right on target. Very funny and very true. Guess that's why men and women find sex to be so satisfying.

I will be gone for two weeks, including a trip to the western gathering and on to Colorado to visit with relatives. Please keep the discussion going as long as you like. I'll try to make an appearance but that might not be possible unless I can get to a library. I would still love to hear what you all thought of the stories--did any of you identify with any of them or did they ring true to your own experiences?

I look forward to hearing more from this interesting group.

Diane,

I'll have my lap top with me. We can check in while we're in Albuquerque

Geesh, are we back to "my dad is bigger than your dad?" c.i.

No one ever really talks about the size of vaginas - there's quite a variation and it's more to do with 'matching' the parts in contact, IMHO.

"Like a glove" is the perfect analogue!