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Dutch Pedophile Party?

 
 
Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:17 pm
Pedophiles to launch political party


AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.

"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighboring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:32 pm
Re: Dutch Pedophile Party?
SierraSong wrote:
An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.


since the Netherlands doesn't use a 2 party system, it looks like they could win some seats, assuming the poll had a representative sample. Shocked
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:35 pm
Well, they do want free train travel for everyone... Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:35 pm
Re: Dutch Pedophile Party?
yitwail wrote:
SierraSong wrote:
An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

since the Netherlands doesn't use a 2 party system, it looks like they could win some seats, assuming the poll had a representative sample. Shocked

How do you figure that, Yitwail? Dont quite see how you got there...
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:43 pm
nimh, 18% felt no government intervention was needed. it doesn't follow that 18% approved the party platform, but perhaps a fair number did. we don't know, since i assume the poll did not ask if the respondent would vote for this party if it appeared on the ballot.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:44 pm
A ban just makes children curious?

Uh, I don't know about anyone else, but when I was 12 I wasn't aware of children sex laws, and wasn't "curious" about much except baseball and video games.

I would love to smash that dude in the face with a baseball bat.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 02:56 pm
At 12, I was going down to the local drug store and trying to sneak peeks in the latest Playboy. This was before they started putting them behind the counter. But I can safely say that I NEVER gave one single thought about wanting some old guy to mess with me!

And if anyone ever touches my kids, well, the baseball bat sounds like a humane option.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 03:13 pm
yitwail wrote:
nimh, 18% felt no government intervention was needed. it doesn't follow that 18% approved the party platform, but perhaps a fair number did. we don't know, since i assume the poll did not ask if the respondent would vote for this party if it appeared on the ballot.

Quite. All we know is that 18% didnt want the government to ban the party. That says nothing about whether any of them would vote for it. So the conclusion that "it looks like they could win some seats, assuming the poll had a representative sample" doesnt seem to have much basis.

I'd be astounded if they'd get even close to one seat; in fact, I think chances that they'll even take part in elections are marginal. Registering a party is one step, but the bar for acquiring ballot status, by province, is set higher, and most registered parties dont make it.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 03:25 pm
well, i hope so, and that's why i hedged with the word "could". still, the 82% opposition figure, if i may call it that, seemed surprisingly low to me. remember, people tend to give responses that they feel are socially acceptable, even when their reponses are anonymous. oh, i know there must be all kinds of constitutional grounds for not banning a political party by law rather than letting it die at the polls, but i'm skeptical that many people would examine a poll question to that depth.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 03:37 pm
The party was already founded in 2004 - at least at that time they published a program for the first time.

According to their website, they'll become officially an "association" (vereniging) tomorrow.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 04:29 pm
yitwail wrote:
well, i hope so, and that's why i hedged with the word "could". still, the 82% opposition figure, if i may call it that, seemed surprisingly low to me. remember, people tend to give responses that they feel are socially acceptable, even when their reponses are anonymous.

Its not just 82% that opposed the party and what it stands for, though - I would suppose that number would be considerably higher.

Its that only 82% actually wanted the government to go out and stop the party. We're not too keen on the government going out and banning things.

Resentment against the idea of the government going out and banning political parties might, for a substantial minority (like this 18% here) well override any personal distaste against the party in question.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 04:35 pm
that may well be--although i'm skeptical--but it's moot since the poll didn't ask if people disagreed with intervention because of general principle or because of support for the party.
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Paaskynen
 
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Reply Tue 30 May, 2006 11:39 pm
The party may have a shot at entering parliament, if they attract enough protest votes. Anyone who hates the Netherlands could vote for this party because a mandate for pedophiles in the Dutch parliament would be a greater humiliation for national politics than anything else I can think of.

I think, though, that the party is unlikely to get onto the election rolls, because no one, especially not pedophiles, is likely to put their name on a public register in support of such a party unless they are tired of life.

What is next? A party of cannibalistic necrophiles? You may laugh, but I once saw an interview from the 70s with a necrophile who seriously suggested that all citizens should carry a living will in which they could volunteer their bodies, after death, for the pleasure of their fellow citizens of the necrophiliac persuasion! Shocked Come to think of it, I would probably consider a party of necrophiliac cannibals less repulsive than the pedophile party (so long as only consenting corpses are involved Laughing )!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 12:09 am
Paaskynen wrote:
What is next? A party of ...


A list of (most, perhaps all) political parties in the Netherlands (with WWW-homepages):
    Arabisch Europese Liga CDA ChristenUnie Continue Directe Democratie Partij (CDDP) D66 De Groenen Democratisch Europa Democratisch Platform Nederland deZes Directe Democraten Duurzaam Nederland Forza! Nederland GroenLinks Humanistische Democratische Partij Internationale Socialisten Leefbaar Nederland Liberaal Democratische Partij Libertarische Partij Lijst Veldhoen LPF Nationale Alliantie Natuurwetpartij Nederland NCD (Nederlandse Christen Democraten) NCPN Nederland Mobiel Nederland Transparant Nederlandse Christen Democraten Nederlandse Volks-Unie Nieuw Rechts Nieuwe Midden Partij Offensief Onafhankelijke Senaats-Fractie Partij voor de Dieren Partij voor de Toekomst Partij voor het Noorden Partij voor Solidariteit Politieke Partij Pinto PRDV PSP '92 PvdA Republikeinse Moderne Partij Republikeinse Socialisten Republikeinse Vokspartij Respect.Nu Rokerspartij Rustema.nl SGP Sociaal-Liberale Partij Socialistische Arbeiders Partij SP Stem Niet Verenigde Communistische Partij Verenigde Senioren Partij Voorpost Vooruitstrevende Integratie Partij VVD (groep) Wilders / Partij voor de Vrijheid XyZyX4U2 Zeteltje, Het


Seems, some personal opinions/interests aren't gathered as political party until now ...
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Paaskynen
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 01:43 am
"Stem Niet" (Don't Vote) must be the most hilarious party in the list Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 02:58 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
A list of (most, perhaps all) political parties in the Netherlands (with WWW-homepages):

Oh, there's more still... I remember that in the first stage of registering for the elections last time there were a bunch of other parties still, although most later failed to make the actual cut ... parties like Oh, Oh, The Hague (named after a song celebrating the city), Utregs Glorie (a party of FC Utrecht supporters, the name spelled in Utrecht dialect, which did later take part in the local elections there but failed to win a seat), the aptly-named Not Another New Party ... oh wait, here's a post about that (gotta love the "Woman-Man Interaction Party" and "Chauvinistic People's Party").

Of the parties you listed one of the most curious, because of the name, is the "United Communist Party", since it has only one active branch, in the rural township of Scheemda in the northern province of Groningen (14,000 inhabitants), where it has one out of 15 local council seats. It is a split-off from the New Dutch Communist Party, which in turn is only represented in three local councils around the country and in the last national elections got 0,1% of the vote. The smaller the party, the more grandiose the name...
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 03:08 am
Well, I don't know what the Constitution in the Netherlands says about this but I am constrained to point out that Debra L A W has indicated that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the US indicates that no state can deprive any person of life, liberty, or property or deny to any person within its juridiction the equal protection of the laws.

Homosexuals, Pederasts, and Polygamists are people too--they must have the equal protection of the law. Why are they always discriminated against?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 03:58 am
Aha.


Most illuminating, sadly for you, Italmassagrotto.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 05:55 am
So you live now in The Netherlands, Bernradetc?

In that case, you can be rather safe: the party got registered by now.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 31 May, 2006 11:48 pm
blacksmithn wrote:
Well, they do want free train travel for everyone... Laughing

Is that because thay 'll have no pockets
in which to carrry the RR fare ?
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