Isaac Newton Bible Student and Scientist Speaks.

Jason Proudmore wrote:

Does a sphere have an end? Does a ball have an end? Hey, Mindonfire, I use definition all the time. And I haven't seen someone as confused as you in a long, long, long time. The word "end" is the opposite of the word "beginning." If you don't believe me, check the dictionary.

Good Day
We see this is going to take a while. End has more than one meaning. No wonder you cannot grasp this.

Definitions (Merriam Webster)
Circumference: (n) 1 : the perimeter of a circle
2 : the external boundary or surface of a figure or object : PERIPHERY

Periphery: (n) 1 : the perimeter of a circle or other closed curve; also : the perimeter of a polygon2 : the external boundary or surface of a body3 a : the outward bounds of something as distinguished from its internal regions or center : CONFINES b : an area lying beyond the strict limits of a thing

End: (n) 1 a : the part of an area that lies at the boundary b (1) : a point that marks the extent of something (2) : the point where something ceases to exist *world without end* c : the extreme or last part lengthwise : TIP d : the terminal unit of something spatial that is marked off by units

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Mindonfire wrote:

Good Day
We see this is going to take a while.

Perhaps...

Mindonfire wrote:

End has more than one meaning. No wonder you cannot grasp this.

No wonder, right?

End Audio pronunciation of "End" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nd)
n.

1. Either extremity of something that has length: the end of the pier.
2. The outside or extreme edge or physical limit; a boundary: the end of town.
3. The point in time when an action, an event, or a phenomenon ceases or is completed; the conclusion: the end of the day.
4. A result; an outcome.
5. Something toward which one strives; a goal. See Synonyms at intention.
6. The termination of life or existence; death: "A man awaits his end/Dreading and hoping all" (William Butler Yeats).
7. The ultimate extent; the very limit: the end of one's patience.
8. Slang. The very best; the ultimate: This pizza's the end.
9. A remainder; a remnant.
10.
1. A share of a responsibility or obligation: your end of the bargain.
2. A particular area of responsibility: in charge of the business end of the campaign.
11. Football.
1. Either of the players in the outermost position on the line of scrimmage.
2. The position played by such a player.

pe·riph·er·y Audio pronunciation of "PERIPHERY" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-rf-r)
n. pl. pe·riph·er·ies

1. A line that forms the boundary of an area; a perimeter. See Synonyms at circumference.
2. The surface of a solid.
3.
1. The outermost part or region within a precise boundary.
2. A zone constituting an imprecise boundary.

Is this enough?

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Jason Proudmore wrote:

A diameter is not a sphere, my delusional friend. I think that one of us needs to go back to schooland you know who that is.

Good Day

Stop skipping classes

No one said that a diameter is a sphere you state that "Job 11:9: "Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea." proves that the Bible suggests that the earth is flat.
We sent you the definitions for diameter to show you what he was reffering to

In geometry, the diameter of a circle is its measurement from one side directly to the opposite side. It is twice the radius.

The distance across a circle through the center is called the diameter.

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Mindonfire wrote:
Good Day
We see this is going to take a while.

Perhaps...

Mindonfire wrote:
End has more than one meaning. No wonder you cannot grasp this.

No wonder, right?

End Audio pronunciation of "End" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nd)
n.

1. Either extremity of something that has length: the end of the pier.
2. The outside or extreme edge or physical limit; a boundary: the end of town.
3. The point in time when an action, an event, or a phenomenon ceases or is completed; the conclusion: the end of the day.
4. A result; an outcome.
5. Something toward which one strives; a goal. See Synonyms at intention.
6. The termination of life or existence; death: "A man awaits his end/Dreading and hoping all" (William Butler Yeats).
7. The ultimate extent; the very limit: the end of one's patience.
8. Slang. The very best; the ultimate: This pizza's the end.
9. A remainder; a remnant.
10.
1. A share of a responsibility or obligation: your end of the bargain.
2. A particular area of responsibility: in charge of the business end of the campaign.
11. Football.
1. Either of the players in the outermost position on the line of scrimmage.
2. The position played by such a player.

pe·riph·er·y Audio pronunciation of "PERIPHERY" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-rf-r)
n. pl. pe·riph·er·ies

1. A line that forms the boundary of an area; a perimeter. See Synonyms at circumference.
2. The surface of a solid.
3.
1. The outermost part or region within a precise boundary.
2. A zone constituting an imprecise boundary.

Is this enough?

So are you saying that the earth has no boundaries?

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Mindonfire wrote:

So are you saying that the earth has no boundaries?

What the hell are you talking about? Take out the cork out of your brain, which hinders you from thinking rationally. "Boundaries"? Are you talking figuratively or literately? The argument here is if the Bible refers to the Earth as being round [as a ball] or flat [as the back of your brain.] I have presented to you plenty of verses from the Bible, stating that the world has edges and corners, opposed to a sphere. If you can't see that, I think your delusion has come to another state and needs professional care.

I'm able to provide more verses if you want. But do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself by posting baloney disguised as facts; and please, don't waste my time pointing out the obvious.

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You are wasting your own time Jason.

You obviously don't need Midonfire to facilitate that eventuality. You're an expert.

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Job 11:9: "Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea."

I see your taking this quote out of context.

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11:7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
11:8 [It is] as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
11:9 The measure thereof [is] longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

What he is saying here is God is beyond the limits of this flat earth. The earth is long and broad, not spherical. It's flat!

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Isaiah 11:12:
"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH."

Yup, four corners; a square flat earth

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Revelation 7:1 :
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree

Don't see a sphere here. I see a square with four corners.

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Job 38:13:
"That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?"

If the earth is flat you can take hold of its ends and shake it like a rug. Can't do that with a ball.

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Daniel 4:11 :
:The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH"

Can't see the ends of the earth from a tree if the earth is a sphere. You can if it's flat.

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"The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." (Job 38:14)

Know what a clay seal looks like?

It's FLAT!

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/ClaySeal.jpg

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"[T]he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
(Matthew 4:1-12)

You can see all the kingdoms of the world from an exceptionally tall mountain if the earth is flat. You can't if it's a sphere. You think Christ saw America? Or China? Do you think he even knew of their existance?

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The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

Yup, from a tall tree you can see the "whole earth" if it's flat. Can't do that with a sphere.

There is a difference between a circle and a ball. You don't seem to understand it so let me explain. A circle is a two dimensional line on a flat surface.

http://content.answers.com/main/content//img/ahd4/A4circle.jpg

A sphere is a three dimensional object.

In Hebrew the word for circle is chuwg. The word for ball is duwr.

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To whom then will ye liken God? ....It is he that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL (duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

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Now would you please explain to us the Biblical geocentric cosmos and the sun standing still for 24 hours.

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Good Day Xingu

This is the original verse in debate

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Now do yourself a favor and cut out a circle.Now lay the circle down. Now sit a figure on top of that circle. What do you see?

Now here is the definitions for circle once again Look at the definition that is highlighted.

Circle: (n) 1 a : RING, HALO b : a closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve c : the plane surface bounded by such a curve
2 archaic : the orbit of a celestial body
3 : something in the form of a circle or section of a circle: as a : DIADEM b : an instrument of astronomical observation the graduated limb of which consists of an entire circle c : a balcony or tier of seats in a theater d : a circle formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it *circle of latitude* e : ROTARY 2
4 : an area of action or influence : REALM
5 a : CYCLE, ROUND

We thought you all were more intelligent than this. Evidently we were wrong. Now we know why the world is in the current condition that it is in. But hold on it gets worst. What a crash you all are about to experience from your lofty positions.

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spendius wrote:

You are wasting your own time Jason.

How is this possible? Am I wasting my own time because I come here to A2k and try to reason with the unreasonable? I probably agree with you on this.

spendius wrote:

You obviously don't need Midonfire to facilitate that eventuality. You're an expert.

Expert on whaton wasting my own time? You're right!!!!

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Mindonfire wrote:

This is the original verse in debate

Don't forget these verses too; they're still in the argument:

Job 11:9: "Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea."

Isaiah 11:12:
"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH."

Revelation 7:1 :
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree

Job 38:13:
"That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?"

Daniel 4:11 :
:The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH"
(If you want more verses, I'd be more than happy to present them to you)

But Isaiah 40:22 is the only evidence that you have presented thus far, which you rely so strongly, that those people knew about the shape of the earth. But what about these other verses, the ones that clearly state that the Earth is flat? Can you explain them to me?

Mindonfire wrote:

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Now do yourself a favor and cut out a circle.Now lay the circle down. Now sit a figure on top of that circle. What do you see?

Cut out a circle from what, from a sphere? Can you be more specific? If this is true, then we would have a flat circle. Can't you see it?

Mindonfire wrote:

Now here is the definitions for circle once again Look at the definition that is highlighted.

Yeah, and I can't see your point.

Mindonfire wrote:

Circle: (n) 1 a : RING, HALO b : a closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve c : the plane surface bounded by such a curve

What the hell is your point? A ring is round and flat; a halo is also rounded and curved, and it isn't spherical like the planet Earth; it's one dimensional.

Mindonfire wrote:

2 archaic : the orbit of a celestial body

An orbit is circular, not spherical.

Mindonfire wrote:

3 : something in the form of a circle or section of a circle: as a : DIADEM b : an instrument of astronomical observation the graduated limb of which consists of an entire circle c : a balcony or tier of seats in a theater d : a circle formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it *circle of latitude* e : ROTARY 2
4 : an area of action or influence : REALM
5 a : CYCLE, ROUND

"A circle formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it." Can't you just see how you contradict yourself by providing this example? The circle is formed ON THE SURFACE OF A SPHERE. What in the world is your argument? And if you have an argument, and you are as smart as you claim to be, why can't you express it lucidly?

Mindonfire wrote:

We thought you all were more intelligent than this. Evidently we were wrong. Now we know why the world is in the current condition that it is in. But hold on it gets worst. What a crash you all are about to experience from your lofty positions.

You think that you have provided evidence that reveal that the Bible clearly states that the Earth is spherical. By doing this, you're driving yourself a knife into your own throat, by providing this load of crap that you pass as evidence. Where is the intelligence in all this nonsense? Huh? You are losing yourself in your own insanity when you can't even use definition properly. But what can I expect from you?

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Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Mindonfire wrote:

Now do yourself a favor and cut out a circle.Now lay the circle down. Now sit a figure on top of that circle. What do you see?

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/enoch24.gif

The cosmos as described in the book of Enoch.

http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ktikkane/littea1.gif

http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ktikkane/littea2.gif

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John Proudmoore wrote:

"A circle formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it." Can't you just see how you contradict yourself by providing this example? The circle is formed ON THE SURFACE OF A SPHERE. What in the world is your argument? And if you have an argument, and you are as smart as you claim to be, why can't you express it lucidly?

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Good Day

How is this contradictory. Why can't you see what is right in front of your face? In your haste to discredit the Bible you have just contradicted yourself. Look at what you have just written. If the circle is formed on the surface of a sphere then???? The answer is right in front of you. THE CIRCLE IS FORMED ON A SPHERE OR BALL. Which means that the author is saying that God is sitting on a SPHERE OR BALL

Sphere: (n) 1 a (1) : the apparent surface of the heavens of which half forms the dome of the visible sky (2) : any of the concentric and eccentric revolving spherical transparent shells in which according to ancient astronomy stars, sun, planets, and moon are set b : a globe depicting such a sphere; broadly : GLOBE a
2 a : a globular body : BALL

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There is absolutely no mention of a sphere in passage you quote from Isaiah--furthermore, there are two silly references to "the heavens," one comparing "the heavens" to a curtain, and another comparing "the heavens" to a tent.

You're just making sh!t up to support your nonsensical contentions. There is absolutely no reason to assume that a circle implies a sphere, and the definition of circle refers of a plane, which is to say, a flat, level surface.

Loser . . .

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[size=8] The title of this thread gives me the giggles every time I see it. Punctuation would have been a good, though less entertaining, option.[/size]

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ehbeth, now that you mention it, it is funny. I guess thats why I had trouble diagramming sentences in Catholic School. When asked to follow in and diagram away, my first comment was "why am I doing this ****?"
To this day, I have not been presented with a sentence diagramming emergency.
Also, punctuation has never been my friend.

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

What the hell happened? I leave for a couple of days and this is what I come across with, when I come back: Nonsense and more nonsense?

Mindonfire wrote:

Good Day
Those are ignorant Believers who are divested from this reality.

Is that a fact? Let's analyze your dementia then.

Mindonfire wrote:
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They don't understand that most of the Bible is symbolic of what happens in this reality.

Exactlyand if you are able to understand literature, you will also understand that the Bible implies that the Earth is flatnot spherical.

Mindonfire wrote:

Water can fill a universe but not in this reality. That is another subject though.

What piece of garbage is this?!! How can water fill the universein what reality? Are you out of your mind? Judging from this barrage of nonsenseyou are out of your mind.
(I hope you're talking about the universe that takes place in your head when you neglect to take your pills.)

Mindonfire wrote:

By the way the writers of the Bible knew that the earth was round. They new it first.

No, they didn't. And if you actually think that they did know, you're the ignorant here (according to definition.) And the following verse provides enough evidence that states that you have no idea what you're talking about. Wanna see? Of course you wanna.

Mindonfire wrote:

Isaiah 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Is this verse supposed to convince us that the ancient, delusional people that wrote the Bible knew that the Earth is round? C-come on! Give me a break. Is this real evidence to you? And if you took the time to pay for some literature classes, you would understand that this verse doesn't indicate that the Earth is round-- at all.

How can you tell me that a circle is a sphere or a ball? The verse clearly says: "he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth." How is this evidence to the actual shape of this planet? A circle is flata sphere or ball is not.

But let's analyze the following verses that suggest that the earth is flatnot spherical. Shall we?

Job 11:9: "Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea."

Isaiah 11:12:
"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH."

Revelation 7:1 :
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree

Job 38:13:
"That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?"

Daniel 4:11 :
:The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH"
(If you want more verses, I'd be more than happy to present them to you)

But Isaiah 40:22 is the only evidence that you have presented thus far, which you rely so strongly, that those people knew about the shape of the earth. But what about these other verses, the ones that clearly state that the Earth is flat? Can you explain them to me?

Mindonfire wrote:

Peace

Don't you mean "war"??

Nice to meet ya!!!!

here is will only deal with the four corners of the earth
corner 1 north pole
corner 2 south pole
corner 3 any point on any side of the earth half way between the north and south.
corner 4 then is exactly opposite of corner three.
so yes you can get 4 corners in a circle just like you can fit a small square than a circle that will touch 4 points in said circle hence the four corners of the earth. very simple actually.

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More of your twisty interpretations, I see.

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talk72000 wrote:

More of your twisty interpretations, I see.

No more than yours.

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Mindonfire wrote:

Good Day

Are these two the only words you know? You're starting to behave like those demented individuals preaching on the subway, who drive people insane from their uncontrollable finger-pointing and incoherent, apocalyptic perceptions.

Mindonfire wrote:

How is this contradictory.

Do you know what the word "contradiction" means? If you're saying that the Bible suggests that the world was a sphere, and then you provide evidence that states the opposite of your argument, you're contradicting yourself. See? Not too hard to understand.

Mindonfire wrote:

Why can't you see what is right in front of your face?

Because I can only see nonsense and more nonsense from your partand there is no point in your argument. Simple.

Mindonfire wrote:

In your haste to discredit the Bible you have just contradicted yourself.

You're just so immersed in your own insanity that your brain can't process simple, coherent sentences. And this [run-on sentence] is evidence of that.

Mindonfire wrote:

Look at what you have just written. If the circle is formed on the surface of a sphere then???? The answer is right in front of you. THE CIRCLE IS FORMED ON A SPHERE OR BALL.

The answer is not a sphere, delusional zealot. If "a circle [is] formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it," it is a dome (half a sphere), not a spherewith a flat baseget it? This idea is so preposterous that I can't even stop laughing at your juvenile notion of the world.

Mindonfire wrote:

Which means that the author is saying that God is sitting on a SPHERE OR BALL

The Bible isn't saying that at all. But you think so, which means that there is something in your brain that obstruct your brain from processing simple human reasoning.

Mindonfire wrote:

Sphere: (n) 1 a (1) : the apparent surface of the heavens of which half forms the dome of the visible sky (2) : any of the concentric and eccentric revolving spherical transparent shells in which according to ancient astronomy stars, sun, planets, and moon are set b : a globe depicting such a sphere; broadly : GLOBE a
2 a : a globular body : BALL

What the hell is your point here? Contradiction? Absolutely

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Scott777ab wrote:

here is will only deal with the four corners of the earth
corner 1 north pole
corner 2 south pole
corner 3 any point on any side of the earth half way between the north and south.
corner 4 then is exactly opposite of corner three.
so yes you can get 4 corners in a circle just like you can fit a small square than a circle that will touch 4 points in said circle hence the four corners of the earth. very simple actually.

Having common sense has always made people find out if a proposition is true or not, depending on human judgment. And since I have read all garbage that you have posted here so far, my common sense tells me that you are as insane as Mindonfire.

How can a circle have corners? Your above example explains an imaginary and absurd application used by the ancient authors of mythical stories to try to understand the intricacies of the universe...and the Planet Earth.

(The above example also explains the high degree of madness that you contribute, nonstop, to this forum.)

Trek lightly.

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