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"Genetic Death": The Evolution Meat Grinder

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 03:06 pm
My response was to Spendius, to point out that distinction. Neither Taoism, nor Confucianism nor Buddhism rely upon a priestly heirarchy, nor a relationship between church and state. This is relevant because of the continual assertion by Spendius that religion is necessary to civilizations, in the course of which he refers to established religion.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 04:05 pm
I thank Mr. Timberlandko for his comment--"That which is apart from, beyond, prior to, other than,our observable universe, is unavailable to our current referential/conceptual ablilites"

Precisely.

We cannot know that which is apart from, beyond, prior to, other than, our observable universe.

Then, it is not beyond the realm of possiblity that there may be causes of which we cannot become aware given the state of our current knowledge.

Perhaps, Mr. Timberlandko can help me--Is Michael Behe wrong when he says:
""An anaylsis shows that vesicular transport is irreducably complex, and so its development staunchly resists gradualistic explanations, as Darwinian evolution would have it"
"A search of the professional biochemical literature and textbooks shows that no one has ever proposed a detailed route by which such a system could have come to be"

Is this correct? Is the "detailed route" unavailable to our "current/referential/conceptual abilities"?
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 05:16 pm
This debate is finally getting to the elementary stage of analysing irreducible complexity which must be something to do with women on the grounds that if the **** is hitting the fan there's a woman somewhere in back of it.

Setanta wrote-

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This is relevant because of the continual assertion by Spendius that religion is necessary to civilizations, in the course of which he refers to established religion.


Not at all. I am referring to OUR civilisation and not "civilisations" in general. Our organised religion is obviously the correct one because anybody who says it isn't gets a laser guided missile into his bathroom window while he's having a shite.

As Mr Bush might have said "Anybody want to argue about that?"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 05:25 pm
That is false, Spendi. You have consitently referred to civilization, without further qualifier. Not only that, in the past you have sneered at the assertion about China, without trying to hide behind the defense you advance now.

Once again, of course, you cannot resist indulging your misogyny, and puking up meaningless assertions for which you have no foundation.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 05:37 pm
I read Sepndius carefully and I can't find where he has, as the erudite and learned Setanta has stated:
"Consitently referred to civilization"
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 06:38 pm
A biological system is not Irreducibly complex just because someone says it is and gets a few people impressed with the vocabulary.MANY RESEARCHERS LOOK AT SIMILITUDE
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 06:46 pm
hermansky pudlack syndrome

a COLLEAGUE OF MINE WHO IS A MOLECULAR BIOLOGIST stated that HP syndrome is an example of the clathrin transport evolution that can be desribed in an old fashioned Punnett square. So perhaps mike Behe needs to look even further back in the transport mechanism to declare something as Irreducibly Complex. If Bern wishes, I can put him in touch with a number of sources on garbagease.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 06:48 pm
PS, we always say "ZHOU"
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username
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 06:58 pm
Who is "Sepndius", Bernard R? My, my, pots calling kettles black again.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:07 pm
Are you trying to compare a mere mortal with one of the most erudite Historians in recent memory?

That is like comparing a high school science student with Einstein.

Einstein made very few mistakes even though he operated on such a high level. Champions usually don't make mistakes!!!!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:25 pm
BABE RUTH was also a strike out king
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:27 pm
EINSTEIN totally missed quantum physics
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:31 pm
Yes, of course, Farmerman, but you must admit when someone like the very erudite Setanta is compared with someone whose intellect falls in the normal range, the gifted Historian Setanta has all the advantage. Depth of knowledge; detailed explanations; superb logic.

Those are the people we must cultivate in our society--A kind of Ubermensch of the Intellect!!!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:33 pm
why must you come off as such a smug phucker?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:48 pm
Oh.come on, Farmerman. Tell the truth. I have read Setanta's posts.

Are you saying that they are not filled with relevant facts?

Are you saying that his logic is ever faulty?

Are you saying that he does not seem to possess a truly encyclopedic memory?

If you are, you are wrong.

If you don't believe me, ask him!!
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username
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 07:53 pm
Who on earth could ever reasonably suggest based on his posts that BernardR comes off as a smug phucker?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 08:00 pm
Humbly beggin yer pardon sir, that would be me.


PS, wouldnt that be a really great name for a restaurant?
WELCOME TO SMUG PHUCKERS.
Somebody call O'Bill , hes lookin to open a chain.
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username
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 08:22 pm
Farmer, I think you're on to something there. I hear Garry Trudeau is thinking of starting a chain of dive bars named for his stock aging rock guitar god from "Doonesbury"--what a hell of a strip that would make: Fuddruckers, Smug Phuckers, and Thudpucker's, all in a row, in every large city in America. Think BernardR's got some venture capital he'd like immortalized?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 08:27 pm
BernardR wrote:
... Perhaps, Mr. Timberlandko can help me--Is Michael Behe wrong when he says:
""An anaylsis shows that vesicular transport is irreducably complex, and so its development staunchly resists gradualistic explanations, as Darwinian evolution would have it"
"A search of the professional biochemical literature and textbooks shows that no one has ever proposed a detailed route by which such a system could have come to be"

Is this correct?


No, that is not correct; Behe is fullashit.

Googlesearch: evolution+vesicle: "Results 1 - 50 of about 444,000 for evolution+vesicle. (0.29 seconds)" ... as near as I was able to determine, over 80,000 of those references predated the publication of Behe's Darwin's Black Box.


Here, drawing on just one single indexed source, The National Library of Medicine's PubMed Website, from first-line professional and academic journals, are over 100 peer-reviewed, published papers referencing the evolution of vesicles - all published prior to the publication of Darwin's Black Box, from which you excerpted Behe's claim that no such literature existed.
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