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Conversion from Islam = Death penalty?

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 07:12 pm
Tico wrote:
"Pagan" Rome was actually a very religious place. The proportion of atheists were probably the same as current Western cultures.


I wonder if Rome was only superficially religious... A culture with that many Gods does make one wonder if any of the Gods were actually taken seriously...
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 07:48 pm
RexRed wrote:
Tico wrote:
"Pagan" Rome was actually a very religious place. The proportion of atheists were probably the same as current Western cultures.


I wonder if Rome was only superficially religious... A culture with that many Gods does make one wonder if any of the Gods were actually taken seriously...

On what basis do you assert a monotheistic god should be taken any more seriously than a pantheon of gods?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 09:40 pm
Doktor S wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Tico wrote:
"Pagan" Rome was actually a very religious place. The proportion of atheists were probably the same as current Western cultures.


I wonder if Rome was only superficially religious... A culture with that many Gods does make one wonder if any of the Gods were actually taken seriously...

On what basis do you assert a monotheistic god should be taken any more seriously than a pantheon of gods?


Can true unity or oneness ever be achieved within a pantheon?
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 10:57 pm
Can questions ever be answered with questions?
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 11:00 pm
RexRed wrote:
JLNobody wrote:
Thanks, Roger.
Rex, we should keep in mind that while "atheists" are not a political block and do not condemn the practice of religion FOR OTHERS, our society does have a secular (not an athiest) government--hence the separation of Church and State. This in no way injures the private practice of religious practice and belief. It means merely that government cannot regulate religion and religion cannot regulate government...give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's....


I am implying that the people in the middle or moderates control religion and agnostics not government...
Though government cannot/should not have a blind eye to religion.

When the government turns a blind eye to God they become God. This is why the government and the people are "under" God... This should never be forgotten no matter your belief otherwise...


What are you trying to say here? Really, it's not clear, but it sounds as though moderates (religious [Christian]) should control religion and agnostics. Should moderate Christians end up in control of Christian churches, I have no quarrel. Who or what should be in control of agnostics is a somewhat different matter.

Now what's this about government and people being "under God"? You must have some reason for saying that.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2006 11:50 pm
The fact that we use "under God" in some (vacuous) officlal sense is no argument for your position, Rex.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:45 am
Eorl wrote:
Can questions ever be answered with questions?


Good question... Smile

Some questions reveal answers...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:49 am
roger wrote:
RexRed wrote:
JLNobody wrote:
Thanks, Roger.
Rex, we should keep in mind that while "atheists" are not a political block and do not condemn the practice of religion FOR OTHERS, our society does have a secular (not an athiest) government--hence the separation of Church and State. This in no way injures the private practice of religious practice and belief. It means merely that government cannot regulate religion and religion cannot regulate government...give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's....


I am implying that the people in the middle or moderates control religion and agnostics not government...
Though government cannot/should not have a blind eye to religion.

When the government turns a blind eye to God they become God. This is why the government and the people are "under" God... This should never be forgotten no matter your belief otherwise...


What are you trying to say here? Really, it's not clear, but it sounds as though moderates (religious [Christian]) should control religion and agnostics. Should moderate Christians end up in control of Christian churches, I have no quarrel. Who or what should be in control of agnostics is a somewhat different matter.

Now what's this about government and people being "under God"? You must have some reason for saying that.


Does a moderate have to be a Christian or religious?

Where does an atheist get their code of ethics, moderation and conscience?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:53 am
If God doesn't exist to the atheists then why would the human spirit also exist?

Also, would one rather our government or a person be "above" God?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:55 am
Maybe our money should read, "in government we trust?"
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:58 am
Above God with law or under God with liberty...
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 07:39 am
RexRed wrote:
Maybe our money should read, "in government we trust?"


Yes, I agree. The god bit was added to your bills during the 60's so it shouldn't be hard to get that fixed.

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If God doesn't exist to the atheists then why would the human spirit also exist?

Can't speak for all but I'm an atheist and I seen no reason to think any "human spirit" exists either.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 11:25 am
Eorl wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Maybe our money should read, "in government we trust?"


Yes, I agree. The god bit was added to your bills during the 60's so it shouldn't be hard to get that fixed.

Quote:
If God doesn't exist to the atheists then why would the human spirit also exist?

Can't speak for all but I'm an atheist and I seen no reason to think any "human spirit" exists either.


So you would rather our money say "in government we trust"? The day I put my trust in the government "over" God is the day chickens will fly... Smile
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:28 pm
Yeah, see....I'll trust my fellow man before an imaginary one every time....but, to each his own.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 05:34 pm
Eorl wrote:
Yeah, see....I'll trust my fellow man before an imaginary one every time....but, to each his own.



I trust the creator over the creation.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 06:31 pm
And I trust Santa Claus. As a child he brought me presents every year, without fail.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 07:23 pm
I'm glad our Christian apostate (see page one) decided to trust the Italian government instead of any gods, coz his local gods were lookin' to git all wikkedy on his ass.

Looks like he might actually survive this.

(Rex, I know...mysterious ways, yeah, yeah.)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2006 03:13 am
RexRed wrote:
I trust the creator over the creation.
to do what?
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