Obama '08?

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Roxxxanne wrote:

As usual, Ticomaya presents an alternative view of reality.

You present an alternative view of reality every day.

So people like this are screaming obcenities and hatred about Bush, Clinton, and other chosen targets as part of practicing their religion each week, ci? I think we are in big trouble if these towering examples of virtue are the norm.

At any rate, I am calling it a day, and will check in tomorrow or the next day to see what other people think. I don't really care what Roxi thinks anyway, I guess it it not much more than "wow," whatever that means.

squinny, Your last paragraph pretty much sums up how I've perceived the democratic battle for the white house. Obama is still a huge question mark in my mind, and am unable to put my finger on it.

okie wrote:

So people like this are screaming obcenities and hatred about Bush, Clinton, and other chosen targets as part of practicing their religion each week, ci? I think we are in big trouble if these towering examples of virtue are the norm.

At any rate, I am calling it a day, and will check in tomorrow or the next day to see what other people think. I don't really care what Roxi thinks anyway, I guess it it not much more than "wow," whatever that means.

That's odd! No one asked McCain to quit his religious backers. Do the Clintons GO to church? No one's asked them or are focusing on where or IF they go to church! If it ain't one thing it's another! Who preached at that church has nothing to do with Obama! One minute he's questioned about being a Muslim, then when he professes to be a Christian, his preacher is perceived as a crank!

Funny, the timing on the priest gaff! Why he was asked to speak at the church is a mystery, but many Black churches are PRO-Active! Where do you think the Civil Rights Movement was started? When Black men are shot and killed as they are in New York and elsewhere, just for being Black, where do you think the marches are organized?

Where do you think the March on Washington was organized? Blacks don't own union halls or veterans halls to organize, so they meet in the one place they feel safe; CHURCH!

Funny, too that all the hubbub, being made over Hillary being a woman. No one complained, when it was all white men, running for office and Blacks had no problem voting for them! Why the fuss over an obscure Black man? The big speech she made today in Puerto Rico spoke volumes! She is praying something happens to Obama! Know what? If something does, I won't cast a vote for HER! EVER! :wink:

teenyboone wrote:

okie wrote:

So people like this are screaming obcenities and hatred about Bush, Clinton, and other chosen targets as part of practicing their religion each week, ci? I think we are in big trouble if these towering examples of virtue are the norm.

At any rate, I am calling it a day, and will check in tomorrow or the next day to see what other people think. I don't really care what Roxi thinks anyway, I guess it it not much more than "wow," whatever that means.

That's odd! No one asked McCain to quit his religious backers. Do the Clintons GO to church? No one's asked them or are focusing on where or IF they go to church! If it ain't one thing it's another! Who preached at that church has nothing to do with Obama! One minute he's questioned about being a Muslim, then when he professes to be a Christian, his preacher is perceived as a crank!

Funny, the timing on the priest gaff! Why he was asked to speak at the church is a mystery, but many Black churches are PRO-Active! Where do you think the Civil Rights Movement was started? When Black men are shot and killed as they are in New York and elsewhere, just for being Black, where do you think the marches are organized?

Where do you think the March on Washington was organized? Blacks don't own union halls or veterans halls to organize, so they meet in the one place they feel safe; CHURCH!

Funny, too that all the hubbub, being made over Hillary being a woman. No one complained, when it was all white men, running for office and Blacks had no problem voting for them! Why the fuss over an obscure Black man? The big speech she made today in Puerto Rico spoke volumes! She is praying something happens to Obama! Know what? If something does, I won't cast a vote for HER! EVER! :wink:

The Democratic primary has served a huge service to the people like yourself that have been watching and thinking. It is important for you to realize the Clintons are no different than they have always been. The Clintons that were in the Whitehouse for 8 years were just as suspect, just as corrupt, just as irresponsible and noncaring toward anyone but themselves, just as power hungry, and just as devious as they are now. The only difference is the press has now turned against them to an extent, in favor of another relatively unknown and untested politician of questionable credentials, Mr. Obama. Until recently, the Clintons image has been whitewashed, and the corruption ignored and explained away by the media and by the Democratic party.

I can't object to what I don't know, but times were better when they were in the WH. I don't know of any corruption, but much was made over the President's personal life, which I don't think is any of our business, but when the Republicans were doing pretty much the same thin, they look like a bunch of hypocrites, doing the same things as Bill. Getting caught like the guy leading a double life in Washington, is something else!

Talking about the guy from Staten Island, who had an accident and it was learned he had a mistress and a baby!

teenyboone wrote:

I can't object to what I don't know, but times were better when they were in the WH. I don't know of any corruption, but much was made over the President's personal life, which I don't think is any of our business, but when the Republicans were doing pretty much the same thin, they look like a bunch of hypocrites, doing the same things as Bill. Getting caught like the guy leading a double life in Washington, is something else!

Talking about the guy from Staten Island, who had an accident and it was learned he had a mistress and a baby!

If you didn't know it, then you need to pull your head out of the sand. I guess you never heard of Whitewater, FBI files, Rose law firm files, bar bouncer white house security, rape charges by women and personal threats to those women, the Indonesian mafia, Chinese military money and technology for campaign contributions, pardon of terrorists, foreign campaign money, intimidation of political ememies using the IRS, the list goes on. It is really a very long list, teeny. This is what I am talking about when I mentioned the media whitewashed all of that and covered it up and ignored it. Most of you believed it didn't amount to anything but his so-called personal life, when in truth the Clinton administration was the most corrupt administration by far, of any in the history of the country in not just my opinion. I suspect this couple is connected somehow to some shadowey international mafia or something. No proof and I am not a conspiracy theorist, but the Clinton era defies all explanation by normal reasoning.

Have the courage to face the truth, teeny, the Democratic Party is corrupt through and through.

cicerone imposter wrote:

squinny, Your last paragraph pretty much sums up how I've perceived the democratic battle for the white house. Obama is still a huge question mark in my mind, and am unable to put my finger on it.

I have detected a lack of enthusiasm out of you lately. For starters, have you read his book?

The Obama mania can all be explained by hype, no substance, ci.

I have detected a lack of enthusiasm out of you lately.

I can't object to what I don't know, but times were better when they were in the WH. I don't know of any corruption, but much was made over the President's personal life, which I don't think is any of our business, but when the Republicans were doing pretty much the same thin, they look like a bunch of hypocrites, doing the same things as Bill. Getting caught like the guy leading a double life in Washington, is something else!

Talking about the guy from Staten Island, who had an accident and it was learned he had a mistress and a baby!

teenyboone wrote:

I can't object to what I don't know, but times were better when they were in the WH. I don't know of any corruption, but much was made over the President's personal life, which I don't think is any of our business, but when the Republicans were doing pretty much the same thin, they look like a bunch of hypocrites, doing the same things as Bill. Getting caught like the guy leading a double life in Washington, is something else!

Talking about the guy from Staten Island, who had an accident and it was learned he had a mistress and a baby!

teenybone,

There's a lot you write here that I don't agree with at all, though we do agree on some issues. However, I do sincerely like your spirit and the candor with which you so directly address the points you make.

In this post you do a good job rationalizing the defense of President Clinton's "indiscretions" while in the White House (and presumably those that occurred earlier in Arkansas.)

In the next post you trot out a litany of equivalent stupidities by Republicans and attack them relentlessly. Isn't it clear that all of this is a result of human venality on both sides of the political asile? The long-range history of this stuff doesn't show much difference among politicians of either party. Democrats in your own state (Louisiana, I believe) have revealed the results of their long term venality and greed in mismanaging the levee system that protected New Orleans (a system that is the property and responsibility of the state, not the Federal Government -- the last round of Federal money authorized to upgrade the levees was diverted in an earmark by a Louisiana Democrat senator - J. Bennet Johnson - for the expansion of a waterway, later named after him).

Blacks & whites too are, alike, equally vulnerable to these human frailties. All of them are lamentable, but no one group is particularly worse than the others.

... I had parents who were "overachievers"! What ever they didn't have, they reminded you that they didn't, made you feel guilty for having an opportunity, they didn't! It's "effed" up all around!

I could never please them! I saw myself as a failure, because I didn't have a masters degree! I saw myself as a failure because I didn't marry a doctor or a lawyer! I'm still the only sibling still married and my kids are doing great! I hate Blacks who think the government owes them something and I hate whites who feel "entitled"! I just want to be left alone!

teenyboone, All my siblings were over-achievers too, and I lived under their accomplishments for most of my life. My older brother was an attorney, and worked for the state as a administrative judge. My younger brother was an opthomologist with an MBA, and is now a state legislator. My sister is an RN. This under-achiever, however, managed to get a college degree much later in life, and worked most of my professional career in management positions. And that's after barely finishing high school. I was the last to get a college degree, but the first to retire in our family; that was my "achievement."

teenyboone wrote:

I can't object to what I don't know, but times were better when they were in the WH. I don't know of any corruption, but much was made over the President's personal life, which I don't think is any of our business, but when the Republicans were doing pretty much the same thin, they look like a bunch of hypocrites, doing the same things as Bill. Getting caught like the guy leading a double life in Washington, is something else!

Talking about the guy from Staten Island, who had an accident and it was learned he had a mistress and a baby!

teenybone,

There's a lot you write here that I don't agree with at all, though we do agree on some issues. However, I do sincerely like your spirit and the candor with which you so directly address the points you make.

In this post you do a good job rationalizing the defense of President Clinton's "indiscretions" while in the White House (and presumably those that occurred earlier in Arkansas.)

In the next post you trot out a litany of equivalent stupidities by Republicans and attack them relentlessly. Isn't it clear that all of this is a result of human venality on both sides of the political asile? The long-range history of this stuff doesn't show much difference among politicians of either party. Democrats in your own state (Louisiana, I believe) have revealed the results of their long term venality and greed in mismanaging the levee system that protected New Orleans (a system that is the property and responsibility of the state, not the Federal Government -- the last round of Federal money authorized to upgrade the levees was diverted in an earmark by a Louisiana Democrat senator - J. Bennet Johnson - for the expansion of a waterway, later named after him).

Blacks & whites too are, alike, equally vulnerable to these human frailties. All of them are lamentable, but no one group is particularly worse than the others.

cicerone imposter wrote:

teenyboone, All my siblings were over-achievers too, and I lived under their accomplishments for most of my life. My older brother was an attorney, and worked for the state as a administrative judge. My younger brother was an opthomologist with an MBA, and is now a state legislator. My sister is an RN. This under-achiever, however, managed to get a college degree much later in life, and worked most of my professional career in management positions. And that's after barely finishing high school. I was the last to get a college degree, but the first to retire in our family; that was my "achievement."

I think you are a success! You too GerogeBob! I feel drained, now!
You kept your "eye" on the prize! I hope your family appreciate you.

Thanks George for your kind words. I thought it was me! Are you the youngest?

The civility here is killing me. Stop it.