The NBC News superdelegate count is especially conservative, or something... at any rate one of the last ones that don't show an Obama lead in superdels. Now .5 behind!! (Obama just picked up another super...)
sozobe wrote:The NBC News superdelegate count is especially conservative, or something... at any rate one of the last ones that don't show an Obama lead in superdels. Now .5 behind!! (Obama just picked up another super...)
5.5 ahead. I got nice and drunk off of the news that he passed her on Saturday.
Cycloptichorn
Depends on the count... I'm happiest when he's passed her by ALL counts...!
sozobe wrote:The NBC News superdelegate count is especially conservative, or something... at any rate one of the last ones that don't show an Obama lead in superdels. Now .5 behind!! (Obama just picked up another super...)
Good timing. You probably just ran out of fingernails to bite over this race.
Oh they were destroyed LONG ago. I have a little hair left though <twirls lock from one remaining patch>
sozobe wrote:Depends on the count... I'm happiest when he's passed her by ALL counts...!
DemConWatch is the only count that matters. They only put people up after verbal confirmation from the SD themselves.
The other lists do not provide a methodology as to how they place or do not place SD's on there, and have been in error more then once. I ignore them.
Cycloptichorn
The NBC news one seems pretty good. They confirm with the campaigns in question.
At any rate, it's about perception as much as anything else. If there is NOPLACE that can be pointed to as support for the assertion that she's ahead in the superdelegate count, I'm happier.
WHOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!
(Yes.)
It ain't over yet, but...
!
georgeob1 wrote:teenyboone wrote:Georgebob:
I think MOST Americans are just tired of being used! I don't care WHO is in the WH, the citizen, gets the short end of the stick! I would like to be able to afford a gallon of gas, a quart of milk, or a loaf of bread. Where laws protect the consumer, the tax payer, etc. Where if you pay your mortgage, you get to OWN your home! Basic everyday basics! I'm sick and tired of struggling, when it's easier to give us a break!
I think that the feelings you express are indeed widespread. So apparently do the politicians, all of whom promise to address precisely these issues. The problem is that politicians of both parties have been making these promises for a very long time, and while some constructive action has occurred we haven't seen the solutions they promise.
Opinions vary as to what are the key economic & social factors behind the frustrations you express; what should be done about them; and in what priority. Some focus on actions to redistribute existing wealth through differential taxation, subsidies, increased public services and various forms of wealth transfer by government. Others focus on actions needed to stimulate broad economic growth and better deal with competitive pressures in a global economy. Worse there isn't even general agreement within and between the groups as to what are the specific needed actions or in what priority they should be taken. That is the hell of it.
I happen to believe that the two chief issues we face that threaten the issues you cited are;
(1) the rapidly growing (and unsustainable) balance of payments deficit that results from our rapidly growing import of petroleum. This issue threatens to bankrupt our economy - for everyone. The greenhous gas issue is an associated problem, but not (in my view the driver). Our domestic petroleum production is about equal to what is consumed in our chemicals and plastics industry. In effect, all of the fuel consumed in our transportation system is imported - at great expense and at a rapidly growing rate.
(2) A failing education system. We have the best universities in the world, and they do a good job in educating ambitious, hard-working Chinese & Indian students and a few Americans as well. However, below that level our system is failing us. The results are to be found in industries in which we are no longer competitive and in the hordes of immigrants who come here to take jobs that too few Americans are qualified to perform. I'm not talking here about Mexican immigrants who come here seeking work as laborers so much as (say) Indians who come here to take IT jobs for large American software and IT companies, and similar things.
There are more such issues, but I think these are the top two and if unresolved will eventually deny us of any hope of addressing the problems you raised. Others may have different top issues in mind and a different ranking for them. Moreover there is very little agreement about what actions would be most effective in dealing with them. That of course is the hell of it.
A sickening thought crept into my mind, over the weekend; that there is NO ONE representing our interests in Washington, no one and I felt the depression of despair, that even though I'm not as bad off as some people, collectively, we're ALL bad off! No one is fighting for us or really cares. It shows as Democrats have a very slim lead in the Senate and the House, but no REAL power to change anything. That Bush and Cheney have taken our so-called rights, if we ever had any and ground them into the ground. So much for a Constitution, Bill of Rights or the power to choose. We are worse off than the Soviet Union. When they were under Communism, at least they KNEW, who NOT to believe. We're SCREWED!
teenyboone wrote: That Bush and Cheney have taken our so-called rights, if we ever had any and ground them into the ground. So much for a Constitution, Bill of Rights or the power to choose. We are worse off than the Soviet Union. When they were under Communism, at least they KNEW, who NOT to believe. We're SCREWED!
I feel sorry for you, but just what did Bush and Cheney do to your rights? Perhaps you have a vivid imagination, but I think you have gone off the deep end with it?
<I won't keep reporting every superdelegate, but it's been a steady drip... Daniel Akaka (a Hawaiian) finally just endorsed Obama, and an Idahoan is due to announce any minute (mum on his choice, but Idaho went big for Obama...)>
okie wrote:teenyboone wrote: That Bush and Cheney have taken our so-called rights, if we ever had any and ground them into the ground. So much for a Constitution, Bill of Rights or the power to choose. We are worse off than the Soviet Union. When they were under Communism, at least they KNEW, who NOT to believe. We're SCREWED!
I feel sorry for you, but just what did Bush and Cheney do to your rights? Perhaps you have a vivid imagination, but I think you have gone off the deep end with it?
Feel sorry for yourself! You're STUCK with YOU!
So I take it you can't name anything that Bush Cheney did to take away your rights. Please do not post anything you can't support with facts. This forum should be about more than somebody's vivid imagination.
okie wrote:So I take it you can't name anything that Bush Cheney did to take away your rights. Please do not post anything you can't support with facts. This forum should be about more than somebody's vivid imagination.
I'll help - they have removed the 4th amendment rights from American citizens, in the name of 'security.'
Cycloptichorn
Lol, she's the authoritative source I turn to on, yeah, nothing at all.
Cycloptichorn
maporsche wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:
Lol, she's the authoritative source I turn to on, yeah, nothing at all.
Cycloptichorn
Did you read it?
Yes, and it was nothing more or less then what I expected.
Cycloptichorn
teenyboone,
I can understand and sympathize with your reactions. However, I don't think you should give way to them. I believe the essential feature of the American system (overall, compared to most others, a very successful one) is that we look to ourselves, in our own lives, our families and our local community for the principal solutions to our problems. If we give up and simply hand all this over to a government we will get all the indifference and incompetence for which governments and bureaucrats are so famous. Some of it is necessary, but the essential chores for orghanizing our lives are ours to solve.
Policicians are what they are - an uncertain combination of good and bad; of self-interest and interest in those they serve; of wisdom and foolishness; etc.
Our system forces the turnover of our leaders so that no one stays too long; and divides power among competing Executive, legislative, and Judicial bodies, so that none can completely dominate the whole. I further think it works best when the House & Senate are dominated by one party while the president is of another -- that forces them to seek compromise and limits the damage they can do.
This was one of the important defects of the Bush Administrations - with Republican control of both the White House and the Congress there was no one to limit their bad ideas. I fear the same will continue in the next Administration, only that it will be Democrats in both places - with no one to limit their bad ideas.
Each of the candidates is flawed in his/her particular way, and all of them present us with some uncertainties as to what they really are and what they really will do once in office. Do you recall G.W. Bush's promises in 2000, as he took office, for a lower profile, more "humble" and cooperative U.S. foreign policy and for added restraint on public spending? I wonder what happened to it all, and I wonder what surprises the current crop of candidates may offer us down the road.
