Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 01:28 pm
hamburger wrote:
just looking across the fence again .

imo the biggest problem for any new U.S. president (and government - congress & senate) will be to find the money to do anything . with the debt clock ticking and the price of oil rising almost daily now , it's going to be tough to do anything without angereing a large group of the american citizens . i'm sure it's not going to be easy to be the next president .

do any of you you have any "immediate priorities" that you think the next U.S. president should tackle ?
i'll keep checking in , but will be careful with unwarranted comments .
hbg


Hmm. Well, getting out of Iraq would save money; 10 or 11 billion a month goes a long way towards paying down debt and helping our local situation.

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 01:45 pm
snood wrote:
I still like Senator Jim Webb. He is a highly decorated Vietnam combat veteran; he has a son who is a corporal in the Marines and has had boots on the ground in Iraq, so he would have some credibility in matters of National Defense and security - areas where there is trepidation about Obama. Also, if you've seen him speak, you'd know he'd have no problem at all being the 'attack dog' to Obama's 'good cop'. That might also be his biggest liability - he might be someone who's hard to reel in.

I think Clark is as wishy-washy a stuffed shirt of a "military-leader/politician" as I've ever seen. I don't think Obama would take him on as Veep after he's campaigned so hard for Clinton, or at least I hope not. I don't trust him.


I was about to post that I like Webb but thought I'd read through first and see if anyone else mentioned him. Glad to see I'm not the only one. In addition to what you say above, I think Webb could help him deliver Virginia, which my hunches tell me is already somewhat open to switching columns this year.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 02:31 pm
hamburger wrote:
do any of you you have any "immediate priorities" that you think the next U.S. president should tackle ?
Reversal of Bush's Tax cuts should be top priority. They are irresponsible and they are regressive and it should be an easy matter to convey the truth to the American public. He should emphasize it in his inaugural address, and then address the Nation again immediately after he succeeds and give all credit to the American people for making their voices heard. This is how he will develop coattails and cooperation from across the aisle, however reluctant the Right may be.

I think it imperative that he use his charismatic skill to make the American public believe that they once again hold the power. Making them believe is the secret ingredient to changing anything. If he can drive through some relatively minor legislation in short order; Americans will start to see their other representatives bowing to the authority granted all Americans by virtue of their vote.

You will notice that I consider the charisma of his personality a tremendous asset. It is. Bill Clinton had that. Here is a guy who didn't inhale, didn't have sex with that woman and didn't even have to appologize for the sleaziest pardon list in history after completing his second term.

He should also establish a Twenty First Century Brain Trust, to assist him in fashioning good, effective, reasonable solutions to the problems we face, without the typical disregard for dissention. I believe Obama is the kind of man who can hear a man in complete opposition to his views, hear him despite his disagreement; and fashion his decisions and explanations for same in ways that make them somewhat palatable to the dissenters... instead of the divide and conquer in arrogance politics we've grown accustomed to.

GObama!
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nimh
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 03:20 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
roll your eyes all you want... on this issue you are marching in lockstep...

Well, the post you were responding to was about whether Hillary should be the Veep candidate - and some Obama supporters think it might be necessary or helpful, while others are "over my dead body" about it. You picked up on that difference and joked that ha!, "I thought you Obamaites were all...". Well, no, "us Obamaites" apparently differ in our opinions about it. Shock horror, I know.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and insisting that anyone who doesn't march with you doesn't care about the party and wants John McCain to be elected....

Well, when it comes to that point it's pretty simple, isnt it? It's the same like how you talked about Nader at the time. Either Obama or McCain is going to be President. End of story. So yeah, every Democrat who doesnt vote for Obama will be helping McCain get elected, just as every Republican who refuses to vote for McCain will be helping Obama get elected. There's just no way around that. It's not a question of being an Obamaite; it's just how the system works, whether you like it or not.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 03:24 pm
If Clinton had won, I would have voted for her.

Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country. It isn't. And letting McSame in would not be a good thing.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 03:29 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McSame
Laughing

That's not really fair... but effective.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 03:31 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McSame
Laughing

That's not really fair... but effective.


Which one's best?

Grandpa John
John McAmnesty
John McSame
Juan McCain
Jonathan McNotgonnawin

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 03:35 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McSame
Laughing

That's not really fair... but effective.


Which one's best?

Grandpa John
John McAmnesty
John McSame
Juan McCain
Jonathan McNotgonnawin

Cycloptichorn
McSame, by far. None of the others would deter me from voting for him.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 03:44 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McSame
Laughing

That's not really fair... but effective.


Which one's best?

Grandpa John
John McAmnesty
John McSame
Juan McCain
Jonathan McNotgonnawin

Cycloptichorn
McSame, by far. None of the others would deter me from voting for him.


Hahah, those all were pulled from Republican websites talking about him!!!

McSame is going to kill him. He's going to be tied to Bush so tight, he won't even have to hug him any more.

Cycloptichorn
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 04:03 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If Clinton had won, I would have voted for her.

Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country. It isn't. And letting McSame in would not be a good thing.

Cycloptichorn


Glad to know that you have such a clear and infallible understanding of the country's needs and future.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 04:11 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If Clinton had won, I would have voted for her.

Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country. It isn't. And letting McSame in would not be a good thing.

Cycloptichorn


Glad to know that you have such a clear and infallible understanding of the country's needs and future.


Whew, I was wondering how long it would take you to come around.

Here's a donation link.

Donate

Cycloptichorn
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hamburger
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 04:20 pm
thanks for your comments re . "new president's priorities" .
while i live in canada , there is no doubt in my mind - and that of most canadians - that what happens in the u.S. has an effect upon canada - whether we like it or not .
hbg
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Thomas
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 05:32 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country.

You are raising interesting point here, a mystery even: Just how does your country manage to fück so often? Germany never does that. We're not that kind of nation. Americans, on the other hand, seem to be talking all the time about their country engaging in sexual intercourse. So, is the US a guy land or a girl land? (I'm guessing guy land -- Florida looks a lot like a testicle.) And if the US is a guy land, who is the girl land, lucky or otherwise, that the US is fücking with? None of the other countries seem to like it all that much. What's the US's favorite position? I'm new here, so I'd love to learn more about your country's fascinating sex life.
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realjohnboy
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 05:38 pm
Gird your loins, Thomas, for that post.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 05:49 pm
Thomas wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country.

You are raising interesting point here, a mystery even: Just how does your country manage to fück so often? Germany never does that. We're not that kind of nation. Americans, on the other hand, seem to be talking all the time about their country engaging in sexual intercourse. So, is the US a guy land or a girl land? (I'm guessing guy land -- Florida looks a lot like a testicle.) And if the US is a guy land, who is the girl land, lucky or otherwise, that the US is fücking with? None of the other countries seem to like it all that much. What's the US's favorite position? I'm new here, so I'd love to learn more about your country's fascinating sex life.


We're the quintessential contradiction in terms, Thomas - a bunch of prudish sluts.

Cycloptichorn
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 06:07 pm
Cyclo, of course, is speaking only for himself.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 06:13 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Cyclo, of course, is speaking only for himself.


I'm hardly prudish.



:wink:

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
  1  
Sat 10 May, 2008 06:22 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Because my personal preference isn't as important as the future of the f*cking country. It isn't. And letting McSame in would not be a good thing.


Glad to know that you have such a clear and infallible understanding of the country's needs and future.


How's he any different from you in that respect?

He may use more off-colour language than you would. But whenever you make another solemn declaration about how you believe Democratic rule, or this or that specific Democratic proposal, will have strongly deletrious consequences for the US, or runs counter to the vital interests of the US, or whatever such more formal wording you might prefer - you're doing the same thing.

Nothing wrong with that, either. Where would we be without convictions about what's good for our country/countries? It's just funny to see one poster with rock-ribbed convictions about what the country's needs and interests are object to another poster's expression of his. Mostly it just seems to be Cyclo's less formal, 'street' language use that bothers you.
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 10 May, 2008 08:46 pm
Perhaps so, but I give a fair amount of importance to making clear distinctions between what I BELIEVE is true and what I KNOW to be true. With respect to future events I try to distinguish between what I HOPE happens, and what I FORECAST is most likely to happen (assuming I have analyzed the situation and made a forecast). If there is a conditional relationship in an assertion one wishes to make (i.e. if A then B, or if not ... etc.) then I believe it is important to make it explicit.

I don't know if that is what you been by "street language", or whether you have something else in mind. In any event stylistic differences don't bother me.

To me the language with which people express themselves is a reflection of the clarity (or lack of it) in their thinking. There are too many people who confuse their beliefs with verifiable, eternal truth and their preferences for the future with what they KNOW (or more accurately FORECAST) will occur.

With respect to the specific question you asked;
Quote:
How's he any different from you in that respect?


Exactly in the terms I identified above, is my answer.
(I will readily concede that Cyclo is by no means the worst of the offenders here - indeed he is a good deal better than many)

As you undoubtedly know, it is very difficult to have a reasoned discussion with a person who routinely fails to make these distinctions; who routinely relies on ill-defined comparisons with vaguely described alternatives; or who regularly descends to insults and personal attacks whenever confronted with disagreement or challenge. I have my own failings in this area in that I frequently become impatient with what I regard as sloppy thinking or overinflated self-importance. However, I generally am very clear about the distinctions between what I KNOW, what I BELIEVE, and what I EXPECT.
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joefromchicago
 
  1  
Sun 11 May, 2008 12:12 am
Thomas wrote:
What's the US's favorite position?

Missionary, of course.
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