I'm sure there are a great deal of Americans who would never vote a black man or woman into the White House.....I don't doubt that for one single second. Racism is alive and well in the US of A.
....but one person in one county doesn't speak for the whole of the county or the whole of the state any more than Wright speaks for all black people.
maporsche wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:...they don't want to vote a black guy into office. I suspect that this is the true reason behind quite a few people's objection to Obama and focus upon Wright. They're just more circumspect about it.
How many is "quite a few"?
More than a little, less then all.
Cycloptichorn
candidone1 wrote:I'm sure there are a great deal of Americans who would never vote a black man or woman into the White House.....I don't doubt that for one single second. Racism is alive and well in the US of A.
....but one person in one county doesn't speak for the whole of the county or the whole of the state any more than Wright speaks for all black people.
Oh, I agree completely, and don't seek to tar a whole group with the same brush; it's just that I haven't seen evidence of the racial nature of the vote presented quite so starkly in other places.
I would point out that it's not just the opinion of a few people either; it's the polling numbers which are way, way off from the rest of the country. Hard not to believe there's not some racial element to this.
Cycloptichorn
Mrs. Bill Clinton is using Rev Wright's racists rants as a personal trait of Obama and it is HER campaign that will benefit in trying to label Obama as a racist or Anti American.
McCain cleverly is keeping quite as he should.
The article as too many do speaks to some whites who would not vote for a black as white racism. It makes no mention of the fact that 80 to 90% of the black vote is going to Obama. Which by any measure is racist voting. Let he who is not guilty throw the first stone.
au1929 wrote:The article as too many do speaks to some whites who would not vote for a black as white racism. It makes no mention of the fact that 80 to 90% of the black vote is going to Obama. Which by any measure is racist voting. Let he who is not guilty throw the first stone.
Ya think there is a history of Blacks who won't vote for white candidates, b/c they are white?
I don't believe that the record here in America really bears that out.
Cycloptichorn
woiyo wrote:Mrs. Bill Clinton is using Rev Wright's racists rants as a personal trait of Obama and it is HER campaign that will benefit in trying to label Obama as a racist or Anti American.
McCain cleverly is keeping quite as he should.
Turn off the grease Monkey's; Woiyo has made a very good point about how McCain's benefiting from the mudslinging while staying out of the fray. Hillary is arguably doing as much for Republican Presidential bid asÂ… McCain.
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Cyclo
You damn right when there is a black candidate running against a white he /she will get most of their votes. You can't deny that is what is happening in the current democratic race.
I am repeatedly amazed by the shrill indignation of the Obamaniacs here (most notably Nimh and Diest TKO) when any doubts about the perfection of their esteemed and saintly candidate are expressed by any of the lesser beings on this thread. No criticism, however mild or qualified, or however well put into context and balanced with equivalent criticism of the other candidates, is tolerated. It appears that opposing thoughts or interpretations relating to their chosen candidate must be utterly suppressed, and those who expressed them villified, their thought processes and motives exposed as deviant or worse, and on to subsequent generations I suppose.
Where does all this rage and indignation come from? Does anyone really care that much?
This strange and slavish certainty, and the rage and indignation that goes with it, have rather bad associations with the most ghastly political movements the world has seen. Though I'm quite sure the Obamaniacs would find any connection between themselves and brownshirts or the Red Guards of other like movements as antithetical in the extreme, the fact is they have gone to a great deal of trouble to make the analogy apt.
Poor Diest. His utter confidence in the rather strange logic he uses to defend his candidate from even the slightest skepticism is sadly unbalanced by any apparent understanding of either history or human nature.
Perhaps he should read about the presidential election of 1940. Franklin Roosevelt campaigned on the clear and explicit promise that he would keep the country out of the war that was already underway in Europe. ("I hate war, Eleanore hates war, my dog Fallah hates war"). We now have physical evidence of his correspondence with Winston Churchill before and during that same campaign in which he was actively conspiring to get us in to that war. So much for the Diest's puerile and naive certainty that stated policy positions on specific issues should constitute the only or even the primary criteria on which to evaluate a candidate - and should trump inferences about the character or real intentions of the candidate.
Moreover this wasn't an isolated incident. Wilson campaigned on the promise of keeping the United States out of WWI - a conflict we could easily have avoided with no adverse impact on us (and likely the world) whatever. Years later JFK campaigned on the foolish promise that we would "fight any foe, bear any burden, etc etc " so that the promise of freedom and liberty would prevail. Months after the inauguration he cancelled the naval air support planned for the Bay of Pigs invasion in Chba, thereby dooming the long-planned enterprise to failure. There are ample other like examples in our history and in the histories of other republics.
None of this recommends the Obamaniacs or the ideas they profess with such shrill certainty and fervor to any of us. As a phenomenon it is truly as strange as the strange "logic" with which its defenders attack those who are even a mite skeptical of their certainty.
Perhaps Obama should publish his positions on issues in a little red book so the Obamaniac guard will have something to wave at us as they condemn all non-believers.
Nimh is an Obamamaniac? That's new to me.
Well, he has been acting like one here. Besides, he pissed me off.
Didn't you get the memo, Thomas? If you say appreciative things about Obama you're officially an Obamaniac. (No matter if you temper that with criticism, as nimh has throughout.)
You are one too by the way.
Have you had your Obama logo tattoo yet? Line forms on the right.
Soz, I would not call you an Obamaniac, rather you have a few Obamaniac tendencies, but exhibit some remaining flexibility.
I don't know where Thomas stands anymore - must be the air in New Jersey.
Hard to see the tatoos here on A2K, but there are other detectable signs.
georgeob1 wrote:I don't know where Thomas stands anymore.
Yes, he became very fast integrated in the USA.
That happens a lot with you Germans.
Walter Hinteler wrote:Thomas is Bavarian.
It is very hard to get a leg up on Walter.
