Obama '08?

dyslexia wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
While it's true this latest nonsense about Obama will mean virtually nothing in the General; McCain made no 100 year gaffe. That is the exact same type of sleazy politics. And it, too, will only affect idiots and the choir.
Oh Yeah. what do you have to say about Columbia?

Nothing really. I think the potential for conflict of interest is obvious enough... and will be considered accordingly.

gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Why did you capitalize "general", Bill?

General Election... was I not supposed to?

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Obama is speaking now, talking about how his opponents would rather talk abotu distractions than issues. As usual, he is kicking ass. No matter what they try to smack him with, he comes back with a counter punch ten times stronger.

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snood wrote:

I do have a little trouble with what I perceive as their "air of arrogance" they try to smear Obama with equating to nothing but the same old "uppitty negro" of old.

snood

I think not, in this case. Obama is simply running into rightwing election boilerplate. Simply recall how Kerry and Gore were portrayed as aristocratic, east coast Brahmin, liberal elitist, 'out of touch', etc while Bush was portrayed down on the 'ranch', sleeves rolled up, cuttin' brush and mendin' fences and speakin' plain (his real patrician, Yale, rich kid life history avoided in all the PR narratives forwarded). It is, as I just pointed out, completely predictable. Just survey the adjectives the rightwing machine uses re Obama and re McCain. You can make a chart with one on the left and one on the right, then do the same for coverage previously of the last two elections, and they'll be the same.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
While it's true this latest nonsense about Obama will mean virtually nothing in the General; McCain made no 100 year gaffe. That is the exact same type of sleazy politics. And it, too, will only affect idiots and the choir.
Oh Yeah. what do you have to say about Columbia?
Nothing really. I think the potential for conflict of interest is obvious enough... and will be considered accordingly.

gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Why did you capitalize "general", Bill?
General Election... was I not supposed to?

No, you were not supposed to. You have embarrassed us all, Bill. I speak as a board.

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Here is the text of Obama's speech today at the Alliance for American Manufacturing:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBpbT

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Butrflynet wrote:

Here is the text of Obama's speech today at the Alliance for American Manufacturing:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBpbT

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Jesus Christ! Let's squeeze some more text into this box, shall we?

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
While it's true this latest nonsense about Obama will mean virtually nothing in the General; McCain made no 100 year gaffe. That is the exact same type of sleazy politics. And it, too, will only affect idiots and the choir.
Oh Yeah. what do you have to say about Columbia?
Nothing really. I think the potential for conflict of interest is obvious enough... and will be considered accordingly.

gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Why did you capitalize "general", Bill?
General Election... was I not supposed to?

No, you were not supposed to. You have embarrassed us all, Bill. I speak as a board.

And i am REALLY bored. btw is islamofascist really a word?

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Jolly Green Giant, Gus! Quit being so quick on the draw and I might of had a chance to edit it once I saw how long it ended up being.

Meanwhile, here's something for all you football fans...

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

This whole thing has gone on too long. It's wearing me out.

Cycloptichorn

With that, I fully agree.

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Oh yeah, me too. It's why I'm hoping against hope that Obama does great in PA and gives the superdelegates an excuse to swing to him and hopefully put an end to the damnably long primary season. Don't think it'll happen, but hopefully mid-May or so... hopefully hopefully hopefully.

Obama - McCain I can get energized about. 'Specially the debates. Want to see those. (Don't know if I'll be able to watch Wednesday's Obama - Clinton debate...)

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I think it is likely that sometime after the PA vote Hillary may drop out of the race -- however it isn't a sure thing.

Either way we still have nearly seven months to go until the general election, and, no matter how the primaries develop, the pols and the press will fill all the available time with the invective, sound & fury, endless analysis of ever more trivial points, and all the rest of this tiresome recipe that has already so wearied us.

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Yeah, I know what you mean.

I've gotten weary of it several times but this (political stuff) is a lot of what I do for my job. So I'll be weary, in general, then do some work-research and find something that is a) exciting, b) infuriating, c) thought-provoking, then post it here on A2K, and then we're off again. :-)

I'm enough of a politics junkie that I'm mostly having fun (when things are civil, anyway).

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georgeob1 wrote:

I think it is likely that sometime after the PA vote Hillary may drop out of the race -- however it isn't a sure thing.

Either way we still have nearly seven months to go until the general election, and, no matter how the primaries develop, the pols and the press will fill all the available time with the invective, sound & fury, endless analysis of ever more trivial points, and all the rest of this tiresome recipe that has already so wearied us.

Yup and that is exactly why Obama's mesage today that McCain and Clinton are engaaging in gotcha politics and avoiding the issues is being so well-received and Hillary's (she was almost booed today when she brought "bittergate" up)message is being rejected.

Too bad I am not a writer on SNL, I could write a great and scathing skit about Hillary receiving an early am phone call while she is slamming down boilermakers at the bar. And perhaps another with her slamming down boilermakers and then going out hunting with Cheney...

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Tiresome, but still a bit addictive. I agree on that score too.

I think the movement towards slates of delegates chosen in public elections (as opposed to the old state conventions) and the competitive pressures among the states to get more leverage & attention through ever earlier primaries, has created a poor situation for us. Presidential campaigns, which once were five month or so processes are now exhausting ten month ordeals. This significantly raises the costs for the candidates, making them ever more dependent on third party sources of funds and inviting a variety of corrupt practices. It also invites personal attacks (as opposed to a debate over the issues) and undue influence on the part of single issue groups on both sides of the political divide.

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sozobe wrote:

...hopefully put an end to the damnably long primary season. Don't think it'll happen, but hopefully mid-May or so... hopefully hopefully hopefully.

Amusingly, Soz, I was in Chicago for our A2K gethering. On the day we met. for fish and chips, the CIA guy resigned. When we met in Boston, something else of note on the national scene happened. I can't recall what.

The PA primary is a week from tomorrow. If Clinton wins by less then 5%....
We'll be in Alburquerque 5/14-5/19 or so.

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Obama's doing pretty well with regular grass-roots fundraising -- their latest goal is 1,500,000 individual donors (they're currently at about 1,300,000). That's a step in the right direction, I think, though I'm not sure how it will play out. Presumably future politicians will seek to replicate Obama's online success, whether or not he wins.

Meanwhile, according to Gallup (and nimh posted on the polls thread that recently Gallup and Rasmussen daily tracking polls haven't been agreeing), no damage from "bitter" yet:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/04/14/041408dailyupdategraph1_b1v9n2.jpg

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Rasmussen, today:

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In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama leads Clinton 48% to 44%. While statistical noise has created daily fluctuations, this race has remained quite stable for the past month or so. A look at the overall trends shows Obama enjoying a modest but consistent advantage.

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Rep. Geoff Davis was speaking to about 400 donors at a fundraiser in Kentucky, when he said of Obama, "That boy's finger does not need to be on the button." link

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georgeob1 wrote:

I think it is likely that sometime after the PA vote Hillary may drop out of the race -- however it isn't a sure thing.

Either way we still have nearly seven months to go until the general election, and, no matter how the primaries develop, the pols and the press will fill all the available time with the invective, sound & fury, endless analysis of ever more trivial points, and all the rest of this tiresome recipe that has already so wearied us.

Yeah, somewhat like the financial pundits who fills in air time with bs that has very little value, if any.

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okie wrote:

nimh, Bill, blueflame, and all other Obama followers, fine, so people are suffering in Pennsyslvania. Name a time and or place where people haven't suffered economically. I still think the comment about guns, religion, and immigration was pretty stupid, and offers an insight into Obama's mindset. And what is his solution, have the government give people more money? Blaming their plight on NAFTA or some other boogie man is not going to solve the problem. What we need is a dose of realism here. We are bleeding the country due to stringent rules and regulations driving business offshore, we can't drill for our own oil - yet complain about the high price of gas, on and on, we complain about no jobs, yet millions of illegals are breaking the door down to get here to better themselves, so I think something here is haywire about all of this. First of all, we need to quit whinin and go to work. We need to return to a realistic policies that will make us more competitive in the world market, and name one thing that Obama has come up with that would accomplish that? I haven't heard any. All I hear is "change." Change to what?

Thats fine, Okie - I'm not trying to convince you of Obama's presidential credentials here, or persuade you of the rightness of our liberal political recipes. You have your opinions, I have mine, they're miles apart, and that's fine.

What I was pointing out that your specific contention here was wrong. Obama did not say what you made him out to say. That you dont think he's got the answers to today's problems is only logical - but it's also neither here nor there when it comes to what I was saying.

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