Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 08:47 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Once again tthe admirable USA has failed.
Failed to pick up the noble ideals.
I feel dejected, dismayed despirted and depressed.
let us( us= non Americans) await for another 4 more barbarism


Will you be able to go on, Mr. Fuchs?

Keep us posted.
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 08:56 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Ramafuchs wrote:
Once again tthe admirable USA has failed.
Failed to pick up the noble ideals.
I feel dejected, dismayed despirted and depressed.
let us( us= non Americans) await for another 4 more barbarism


Will you be able to go on, Mr. Fuchs?

Keep us posted.

The question is can he continue his poetic writings that he so richly blesses us all with here, being so depressed? Not that I read much of it, but maybe somebody does?
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revel
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:03 pm
You guys represent the dregs and I hate see Hillary supporters dragged down to your levels; but it seems they are.

The mere fact that one of the owners of a company who had an employee who took it upon himself (unauthrized) to look into Obama's passport files is an Obama adviser means nothing except to those who want it to. If it did mean something then the other owners in the company are part of the big conspiracy as well as the owner(s) of Stanely Inc.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:07 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
So the guy who owns the firm is an Obama advisor. Obama has demanded a complete investigation. What are you possibly suspecting is the nefarious connection?


Sorta takes the wind out of your Passportgate sails, huh?

.


How so? What is the connection? Are you suggesting that the OWNER of the firm was involved? Or the Obama campaign was involved? They would have to be the world's biggest fools to demand an investigation into something nefarious that his campaign was involved in.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:12 pm
revel wrote:
You guys represent the dregs and I hate see Hillary supporters dragged down to your levels; but it seems they are.

The mere fact that one of the owners of a company who had an employee who took it upon himself (unauthrized) to look into Obama's passport files is an Obama adviser means nothing except to those who want it to. If it did mean something then the other owners in the company are part of the big conspiracy as well as the owner(s) of Stanely Inc.


I am still waiting for them to explain what the POSSIBLE connection is. It defies logic that the owner of the firm has anything to do with this. But hey when did these morons ever think anything out logically?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:12 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
kickycan wrote:
I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?

Just wondering.


" For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 :wink:

the bible, although probably not the infallible word of God... recognizes and gives us lots of hints about how to detect bullshit. Sort of a guidebook, although a human one written by humans.


That's what I'm talking about ------ Obama is the anti-Christ.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:20 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
revel wrote:
You guys represent the dregs and I hate see Hillary supporters dragged down to your levels; but it seems they are.

The mere fact that one of the owners of a company who had an employee who took it upon himself (unauthrized) to look into Obama's passport files is an Obama adviser means nothing except to those who want it to. If it did mean something then the other owners in the company are part of the big conspiracy as well as the owner(s) of Stanely Inc.


I am still waiting for them to explain what the POSSIBLE connection is. It defies logic that the owner of the firm has anything to do with this. But hey when did these morons ever think anything out logically?


I guess they don'tt have an explanation.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:24 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
So the guy who owns the firm is an Obama advisor. Obama has demanded a complete investigation. What are you possibly suspecting is the nefarious connection?


Sorta takes the wind out of your Passportgate sails, huh?

.


How so? What is the connection? Are you suggesting that the OWNER of the firm was involved? Or the Obama campaign was involved? They would have to be the world's biggest fools to demand an investigation into something nefarious that his campaign was involved in.


Thick as a brick ...
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:25 pm
Easter Sermons

Page One

NYT: Obama race speech fuels Easter sermons
Some pastors say they're compelled to address festering issue



By Laurie Goodstein and Neela Banerjee
updated 2 hours, 52 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - This Easter Sunday, the holiest day of the Christian calendar, many pastors will start their sermons about the Resurrection of Jesus and weave in a pointed message about racism and bigotry, and the need to rise above them.

Some pastors began to rethink their sermons on Tuesday, when Senator Barack Obama gave a speech about race, seeking to calm a furor that had erupted over explosive excerpts of sermons by his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

The controversy drove the nation to the unpatrolled intersection of race and religion, and as many pastors prepared for their Easter message they said they felt compelled to talk about it. Their congregants were writing and e-mailing them: some wanted to share their emotional reactions to Mr. Obama's speech; others asked how Mr. Wright, the minister, could utter such inflammatory things from the pulpit.
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Some ministers interviewed over the last several days said they would wait until after Easter to preach on it all, because Easter and headlines do not mix. But others said there was no better moment than Easter, when sanctuaries swelled with their biggest crowds of the year, and redemption was the dominant theme.

'Hopes and dreams'
At Mount Ararat Baptist Church in Pittsburgh, the Rev. William H. Curtis said: "At the end of the day, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ makes it possible for even an African-American and a female to articulate the hopes and dreams of America, and do so with the hope of becoming president. Isn't that wonderful?

"It's possible because we do believe that humanity has redeeming qualities, and the resurrection of Christ gives us that faith," said Mr. Curtis, who is president of the Hampton Ministers Conference, a national association of black ministers.

Philip L. Blackwell, senior pastor at the First United Methodist Church at the Chicago Temple, said he would weave an anecdote into his sermon about a black friend of his who had been stopped by the police, who were suspicious because he was driving an expensive car, which he owned.

"The church needs to be a community within which the pain can be shared," said Mr. Blackwell, who is white and leads an urban, racially mixed congregation. "The grievances can be aired, and the power of that can be directed toward the ?'new creation' that is portrayed in the Resurrection."

The whole controversy started, after all, with a minister, preaching, in a church.

Television programs showed recorded parts of sermons by Mr. Wright, who is nationally known for his work in creating economic development programs in the inner city, inspiring many other black pastors to do the same, and for his fiery, prophetic preaching style. In the excerpts, Mr. Wright thunders that the government has inflicted AIDS on black people, and that the United States deserved the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11.

Mr. Obama responded with a major address that examined race relations through the eyes of blacks and whites, and called for Americans to open up an honest dialogue about race.

Many ministers said they would preach without explicitly mentioning Mr. Obama because they wanted to avoid alienating politically diverse congregations. They are also aware that some churches accused of making political endorsements have seen their tax-exempt status investigated by the Internal Revenue Service .

The response to the controversy from the pulpit will vary, of course, depending on a church's denomination, racial composition and political and theological leanings, as well the predilections of the pastor. The Wright controversy is a natural topic for those in the United Church of Christ, a predominantly white denomination that includes Mr. Obama's and Mr. Wright's church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago (the largest church in the denomination).

Separating race from Easter
Clergy members from Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and white evangelical churches are, very generally, less likely to incorporate the Wright controversy into their sermons than are those at black and mainline Protestant churches.

The Rev. Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals and lead pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn., said he would not be preaching about the racial issues raised by Mr. Obama's speech and expected few other evangelical pastors to, either.

"Easter is about Easter and the Resurrection of Jesus, and it's pretty unlikely that any other topic would eclipse that," Mr. Anderson said. "That's not to say those other topics aren't important, but this is the most important."

Most evangelical churches, he said, "are Bible-driven, not current-events-driven."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:28 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
kickycan wrote:
I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?

Just wondering.


Don't hold your breath waiting to an intelligent answer to this one. It's the same thing as the Muslim smear; the point isn't to imply that any actual actions will take place, but to scare the listener into questioning Obama's sincerity.

Cycloptichorn


I've frequented this forum long enough to know that you are incapable of recognizing intelligence unless it conforms to your opinions.

Nevertheless, you seem to get it, in your own Obama world view sort of way. The significance of this issue is, indeed, not that actual actions will take place, but that it should cause one to consider the intellectual honesty of his campaign's theme.

You are an interesting fellow Cyclo. You are, clearly, capable of locating the center of an issue, and yet you always allow your baser self to frame the center in a way that is aligned to the conclusions of your more frivolous surface.

This is a fascinatingly complex pattern.

For goofs, allow your intellect to consider this comment: "...the point isn't to imply that any actual actions will take place, but to scare the listener into questioning Obama's sincerity."

Do you really believe that Obama's sincerity can only be challenged by scare tactics?

Do you really believe that Obama's campaign theme is not rightfully subject , let alone vulnerable, to skeptical scrutiny?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:29 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.


I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.

I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.

btw, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...

You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:30 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Passport firm CEO donated to Lieberman, Clinton; link


Passport firm CEO an advisor to Obama; LINK
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:43 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.


I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.

I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.

bad, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...

You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....


Oooh...nice to see the Bi-Po wit focused on one of the more idiotic, albeit leftist, posters.

Who knows where this Obama v Clinton war will eventually find us.

Of course, folks like me and Tico will be at the ready to remind you of these venomous exchanges when the election is over and all good Libs join one another in utterly despising John McCain, but that's months away.

When I first read this post I mistakenly though your reference was to Firesign Theatre and I was charged with the urge to reply with some reference to The Giant Rat of Sumatra or We're All Bozos on this Bus.

Then I realized the true meaning of you reference. Funny as well, but to Firesign Theatre as Jack White is to Jeff Beck.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:57 pm
revel wrote:
Finn; Two of the breaches into Obama's file were employees of Stanley Inc. and Analysis Corp. Do you believe the owner of Stanely Inc has some kind of connection to Obama as well and is behind the two emplyoees who conducted the breach?

Obama has called for investigations; he would hardly do that if he was behind his own breach of passport information.


His call for an investigation was pro forma

His reaction was pretty mild which either indicates that he he knows this flap amounts to nothing, or that his own people were involved.

I don't, for a minute, suggest that he was behind his own breach of passport information, and I don't believe he instructed his minions to breach the confidentiality of Clinton or McCain. My bet is that he knew nothing of this nonsense, and was never asked to sanction it.

This truly is a tempest in a teapot. There is nothing in passport records that is not available through a hundred other public sources.

Here's what probably happened: Low level employees of State Dept contractors with access to passport applications, got bored and went on a fishing expedition. They probably found it cool to see the passport photos of famous people, and I bet this breach isn't limited to three candidates for the presidency of the US.

Democrats, once getting wise to the breach, saw it as a political weapon against their enemies - Republicans, and so they puffed it up far beyond its actual significance.

There is nothing nefarious about the State Dept's involvement in this fart in the wind nor Ombama and his campaign staff's.

It is delicious only because Democratic jerks have hoped to make some real hay out of it and so when it becomes known that the perps are employees of a key Obama supporter, I can't help but grin with great satisfaction.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:00 pm
Now that we all agree this passport nonsense is much ado about nothing, let's get back to Obama and Wright.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:19 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.


I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.

I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.

bad, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...

You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....


Oooh...nice to see the Bi-Po wit focused on one of the more idiotic, albeit leftist, posters.

Who knows where this Obama v Clinton war will eventually find us.

Of course, folks like me and Tico will be at the ready to remind you of these venomous exchanges when the election is over and all good Libs join one another in utterly despising John McCain, but that's months away.

When I first read this post I mistakenly though your reference was to Firesign Theatre and I was charged with the urge to reply with some reference to The Giant Rat of Sumatra or We're All Bozos on this Bus.

Then I realized the true meaning of you reference. Funny as well, but to Firesign Theatre as Jack White is to Jeff Beck.


fasten your seatbelts... inflate your noses... and prepare for a period of simulated exhilaration...

actually the only president I have ever despised is george bush...however.... after the way many of the "libs" have shown themseves to be virtually indistinguishable from the most rabid bushites in their blind devotion and worshipful greedy desire to wrap themselves in self righteousness.... don't expect me to join them.

libs or conservatives... **** is **** and it all stinks.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:23 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.


I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.

I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.

bad, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...

You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....


Oooh...nice to see the Bi-Po wit focused on one of the more idiotic, albeit leftist, posters.

Who knows where this Obama v Clinton war will eventually find us.

Of course, folks like me and Tico will be at the ready to remind you of these venomous exchanges when the election is over and all good Libs join one another in utterly despising John McCain, but that's months away.

When I first read this post I mistakenly though your reference was to Firesign Theatre and I was charged with the urge to reply with some reference to The Giant Rat of Sumatra or We're All Bozos on this Bus.

Then I realized the true meaning of you reference. Funny as well, but to Firesign Theatre as Jack White is to Jeff Beck.


fasten your seatbelts... inflate your noses... and prepare for a period of simulated exhilaration...

actually the only president I have ever despised is george bush...however.... after the way many of the "libs" have shown themseves to be virtually indistinguishable from the most rabid bushites in their blind devotion and worshipful greedy desire to wrap themselves in self righteousness.... don't expect me to join them.

libs or conservatives... **** is **** and it all stinks.


We're all Bozos on this bus.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:25 pm
my mother was a bozoette in high school....and if I may correct myself... please everyone inflate your shoes.... not your noses... although you may if you like squeeze the wheeze.... many people find they like to...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:52 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
my mother was a bozoette in high school....and if I may correct myself... please everyone inflate your shoes.... not your noses... although you may if you like squeeze the wheeze.... many people find they like to...


I understand how a drug crazed psuedo hippie such as yourself might make the mistake of referencing inflating one's nose.

However, I did find, in younger days, that certain mushrooms made my feet bigger.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:09 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It is delicious only because Democratic jerks have hoped to make some real hay out of it and so when it becomes known that the perps are employees of a key Obama supporter, I can't help but grin with great satisfaction.


http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8481/biggrindc9.gif
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