Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:26 pm
It could get really fun if those contractors are Democrats and Hillary supporters and were looking for information to feed to Hillary. There's absolutely no evidence of that of course, but hey if the Obama-ites can speculate what it all means, anybody ought to be able to do that.
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:28 pm
maporsche wrote:

Obama says that the "typical white person" is like his grandmother, spouting racial comments that make him cringe.


You misquote him in the audio in the link. He said that,""The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person. Who. . . If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is seeing each generation feeling a little bit less like that."

I think he used an unfortunate phrase there in saying that his grandmother was a typical white person, but he included himself in speaking of those experiences that don't go away, reactions that have been bred into oneself--I'm surprised that people haven't jumped onto that comment. This is more typical of an off the cuff comment during a live interview, than the highly polished speech he gave in regard to his pastor. In any case, it surely is a negative that will be wielded against him and his presidential campaign.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:29 pm
FF that thought crossed my mind but I understand they were "Republican" contractors whatever that means.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:31 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
It could get really fun if those contractors are Democrats and Hillary supporters and were looking for information to feed to Hillary. There's absolutely no evidence of that of course, but hey if the Obama-ites can speculate what it all means, anybody ought to be able to do that.

'
True. Though there is that earlier incident from George Bush Seniors administration where Bill Clinton's travel and passport information was dug into by republican operatives looking opo help.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:32 pm
Republican contractors. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a link for that?
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maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:33 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
maporsche wrote:

Obama says that the "typical white person" is like his grandmother, spouting racial comments that make him cringe.


You misquote him in the audio in the link. He said that,""The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person. Who. . . If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is seeing each generation feeling a little bit less like that."

I think he used an unfortunate phrase there in saying that his grandmother was a typical white person, but he included himself in speaking of those experiences that don't go away, reactions that have been bred into oneself--I'm surprised that people haven't jumped onto that comment. This is more typical of an off the cuff comment during a live interview, than the highly polished speech he gave in regard to his pastor. In any case, it surely is a negative that will be wielded against him and his presidential campaign.



I didn't misquote him. I put quotations around what he said. What I did was apply his comment about his typical grandmother with the comments he said about her during his speech. During his speech he referred to her making racial statements that made him cringe.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:39 pm
blatham wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
It could get really fun if those contractors are Democrats and Hillary supporters and were looking for information to feed to Hillary. There's absolutely no evidence of that of course, but hey if the Obama-ites can speculate what it all means, anybody ought to be able to do that.

'
True. Though there is that earlier incident from George Bush Seniors administration where Bill Clinton's travel and passport information was dug into by republican operatives looking opo help.


Perhaps you read that in the article I posted a little while ago and you decided to reword what it said just a bit?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:39 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Republican contractors. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a link for that?


No. I think it was Andrea Mitchell who said that.
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:40 pm
maporsche wrote:

I didn't misquote him. I put quotations around what he said. What I did was apply his comment about his typical grandmother with the comments he said about her during his speech. During his speech he referred to her making racial statements that made him cringe.


OK. You didn't misquote him, you mischaracterized what he had said, stringing together a direct quote from the radio interview, and something from his speech.

Quote:
Obama says that the "typical white person" is like his grandmother, spouting racial comments that make him cringe.


In any regard, you made it seem as if he was saying that his gradmother was a typical white person in spouting racial comments, and that this makes him cringe. Which is something he was not saying at all.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:42 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
blatham wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
It could get really fun if those contractors are Democrats and Hillary supporters and were looking for information to feed to Hillary. There's absolutely no evidence of that of course, but hey if the Obama-ites can speculate what it all means, anybody ought to be able to do that.

'
True. Though there is that earlier incident from George Bush Seniors administration where Bill Clinton's travel and passport information was dug into by republican operatives looking opo help.


Perhaps you read that in the article I posted a little while ago and you decided to reword what it said just a bit?



He probably read it when I posted the same article an hour before you did. Do you have a filter for EVERYTHING?
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:43 pm
Maporche:

My mother is white and makes racial statements that make me cringe. Do I want to throw her "under the bus"? He was making a statement about race in America. One of my friends is William Julius Wilson....Harvard professor and FOB or former FOB ,I should say,(Friend of Bill) in the Clinton administration. He is not happy with the way Bill and Hillary have dealt with race in this campaign. He is African American and is highly regarded concerning race and urban affairs in America. Google his name. He was married to my friend who was white....kids went to the Lab school at U of Chicago...he was afraid sometimes for them. I worry about my grandchildren in this world. Obama was making references to a very difficult problem in our society that we after 250 years are not facing.

Its time.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:44 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
In any regard, you made it seem as if he was saying that his gradmother was a typical white person in spouting racial comments, and that this makes him cringe. Which is something he was not saying at all.


You're right. He didn't say that.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:52 pm
tpmcafe

A few more details about the Obama passport breach. According to a new piece out in the Post from Glenn Kessler, the breaches occurred Jan. 9th, Feb. 21st and March 14th.

That would be the day after the New Hampshire primary, the day of the Democratic debate in Texas and the day the Wright story really hit.

=====================================

David Schuster reports that someone involved in Passport-gate has ties to Hillary Clinton....developing...
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:53 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Republican contractors. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a link for that?


No. I think it was Andrea Mitchell who said that.


Well that's interesting how she would know since according to Breitbart, the administration has not released the names to the media yet. But maybe she has special sources.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:53 pm
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/29/obama_europe/

Solved!
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:55 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Republican contractors. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a link for that?


No. I think it was Andrea Mitchell who said that.

. But maybe she has special sources.


Ah duh

She is married to Alan Greenspan.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:57 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Republican contractors. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a link for that?


No. I think it was Andrea Mitchell who said that.


Well that's interesting how she would know since according to Breitbart, the administration has not released the names to the media yet. But maybe she has special sources.


BTW you and Breitbart are WAY BEHIND on this story.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:59 pm
The State Dept. says there was no link between the three breaches, and
that their security measures caught the matter each time. If they had sufficient security measures in place to catch the matter each time, then how did it happen two more times after the first one?

The three dates:

JAN 9
FEB 21
MAR 14
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 09:01 pm
Who leaked the story to the Washington Times and why the Washington Times? Who are these contractors and who hired them? Again, I have heard them called "Republican contractors" and there are links to the Clintons as well, the former Ambassador to Uruguay under Bill Clinton is involved.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 09:03 pm
I'm not trying to downplay the gravity of this passport thing....but what exactly is the big deal? I was only 10 years old when the Clinton thing happened, so excuse me for not asking these questions then.

I'm not for the invasion of anyone's privacy, but I really don't know what a passport file could show that would be damaging to anyone. Doesn't it only tell someone what countries they've been in or traveled to? I don't see what the big deal is or why the republican's would be interested in this information.
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