Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 07:04 pm
ci:

Umm yeah.
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nimh
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 07:11 pm
And there I was thinking I was saying interesting things. ****.

I was trying to cut through the fog and get to what the actual underlying question here is. Guess I failed. Should have spent that hour doing something else. Mad
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spendius
 
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Wed 19 Mar, 2008 07:16 pm
Isn't quitting your church apostasy?
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 07:19 pm
Nimh:

I did think you fought the good fight. :wink: :wink:
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kickycan
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 08:27 pm
nimh wrote:
And there I was thinking I was saying interesting things. ****.

I was trying to cut through the fog and get to what the actual underlying question here is. Guess I failed. Should have spent that hour doing something else. Mad


I appreciate your efforts and applaud your tenacity.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 08:36 pm
Of course, you were doing yeoman's work, Nimh.

This is a test period for Obama. If this is the worst things get for him, then hell - he's fine and will win the nomination and in the Fall. If he can't turn the numbers around, then he doesn't deserve to win the nomination OR the presidency. It was always apparent that these sorts of attacks would be used against him; we all knew the Republicans would do it sooner or later, well, it's sooner.

He's going to be spending the upcoming weeks trying to talk about other stuff. And I think that he will be at least partially successful in turning the conversation away from it. The story doesn't have enough legs to be the over-arcing meme for the rest of the primary, let alone the General election.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 19 Mar, 2008 09:29 pm
dyslexia wrote:
I'm guessing okie is going to vote for the white candidate because he's not a racist.

I won't be voting for anybody based on race; I don't walk around with some kind of a guilt complex that compels me to vote for a black or a woman to feel better, dys, perhaps you do?

Unfortunately, if Obama loses or if Clinton loses, there will be those that blame it on racism or sexism, or whatever, I don't happen to care since it is they that have the problem. They are the true racists and sexists, that are always compelled to frame an election around race, sex, or some other groupee thing.

If it were somebody like for example Michael Steele, or Margaret Thatcher, I would have no problem voting for them if they had liberal opponents, but it wouldn't be because of race or gender.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 19 Mar, 2008 10:30 pm
Mrs. Clinton's advisers had hoped that the uproar over inflammatory remarks made by Mr. Obama's longtime pastor that has rocked his campaign for a week might lead voters and superdelegates to question whether they really know enough about Mr. Obama to back him. Although it is still early to judge his success, the speech Mr. Obama delivered on race in Philadelphia to address the controversy was well received and praised even by some Clinton supporters.
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woiyo
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 06:04 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Of course, you were doing yeoman's work, Nimh.

This is a test period for Obama. If this is the worst things get for him, then hell - he's fine and will win the nomination and in the Fall. If he can't turn the numbers around, then he doesn't deserve to win the nomination OR the presidency. It was always apparent that these sorts of attacks would be used against him; we all knew the Republicans would do it sooner or later, well, it's sooner.

He's going to be spending the upcoming weeks trying to talk about other stuff. And I think that he will be at least partially successful in turning the conversation away from it. The story doesn't have enough legs to be the over-arcing meme for the rest of the primary, let alone the General election.

Cycloptichorn


Obama has other issues. Apparently, an opposing opinion of Obama from another "wonderful" man of "god".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

The video may be a joke, but this "pastor" is not joking around.

Isn't racism silly?
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revel
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 06:42 am
Oh please, woiyo; are you serious? Unfortunately you probably are.

Even more depressing and dispiriting and disillusioning (can't come up with more words to express it) Hillary has passed Obama in opinion polls for the first time in months.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/ts_nm/usa_politics_gallup_dc

If she gets it I won't vote as I see little significant differences between her and McCain and I don't like either of them anymore. But in the end if Hillary gets it I may even throw my vote for McCain and vote republican for the first in my adult life (other than my father-in-law for chairman of school board-felt honor bound) I am so disgusted in general with the democrats in this whole election cycle.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 06:50 am
revel wrote:
Oh please, woiyo; are you serious? Unfortunately you probably are.

Even more depressing and dispiriting and disillusioning (can't come up with more words to express it) Hillary has passed Obama in opinion polls for the first time in months.
.


You are looking at pre-speech polls.
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 06:53 am
Vietnamnurse wrote:
From DailyKos:

Obama's speech against the war in Iraq...Hint he hits both McCain and Hillary. It was given in North Carolina today and well worth the long read.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/19/114032/682/108/479934


Thanks for posting this. I was looking for this yesterday.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 06:55 am
Rasmussen 3-19


Obama now leads Clinton 47% to 42%. Yesterday, Obama led 45% to 44%
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spendius
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:14 am
Oswald Spengler wrote-

Quote:
What has inhabited the earth since the Ice Age is man, not "peoples." In the first instance, their Destiny is determined by the fact that the bodily succession of parents and children, the bond of the blood, forms natural groups, which disclose a definite tendency to take root in a landscape. Even nomodic tribes confine their movements within a limited field. Thereby the cosmic-plantlike side of life, of Being, is invested with the character of duration. This I call race. Tribes, septs, clans, families--all these are designations for the fact of a blood which circles, carried on by procreation, in a narrow or a wide landscape.

But these human beings possess also the microcosmic-animal side of life, in waking-consciousness and receptivity and reason. And the form in which waking-consciousness of one man gets into relation with that of another I call language, which begins by being a mere unconscious living expression that is received as a sensation, but gradually develops into a conscious technique of communication that depends upon a common sense of the meanings attaching to signs.

In the limit, every race is a single great body, and every language the efficient form of one great waking-consciousness that connects many individual beings. And we shall never reach the ultimate discoveries about either unless they are treated together and constantly brought into comparison with one another.

But, further, we shall never understand man's higher history if we ignore the fact that man, as a constituent of race and as a possessor of language, as derivative of a blood unit and as a member of an understanding-unit, has different Destinies, that of his being and that of his waking-being. That is, the origin, development, and duration of his race side and the origin, development, and duration of his language side are completely independent of one another. Race is something cosmic and psychic ( Seelenhaft), periodic in some obscure way, and in its inner nature partly conditioned by major astronomical relations.

Languages, on the other hand, are causal forms, and operate through the polarity of their means. We speak of race-instincts and of the spirit of a language. But they are two distinct worlds. To Race belong the deepest meanings of the words "time" and "yearning" ; to language those of the words "space" and "fear". But all this has been hidden from us, hitherto, by the overlying idea of "peoples".


When you say "isn't racism silly?" you might be as well knowing what the word means because not doing weakens the "language" side and thus promotes the "race" side even if doing that makes you feel better about yourself in some superficial way. You might as well say "isn't the human condition silly?" Which, of course, many do.
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revel
 
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Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:26 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Rasmussen 3-19


Obama now leads Clinton 47% to 42%. Yesterday, Obama led 45% to 44%


Thank goodness; maybe I won't be forced to vote for McCain after all. Unless of course that stupid delegate re-do thing throws the whole thing out of whack.
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eoe
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:28 am
revel wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Rasmussen 3-19


Obama now leads Clinton 47% to 42%. Yesterday, Obama led 45% to 44%


Thank goodness; maybe I won't be forced to vote for McCain after all. Unless of course that stupid delegate re-do thing throws the whole thing out of whack.


That's not gonna happen either. No re-dos.
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spendius
 
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Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:37 am
Quote:
But in the end if Hillary gets it I may even throw my vote for McCain and vote republican for the first in my adult life (other than my father-in-law for chairman of school board-felt honor bound)


You see. That's racist. The destiny of the kids is partly in a school-board's hands and here it is decided by a blood connection without any reference to the qualities or views of the man.
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revel
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:45 am
spendius wrote:
Quote:
But in the end if Hillary gets it I may even throw my vote for McCain and vote republican for the first in my adult life (other than my father-in-law for chairman of school board-felt honor bound)


You see. That's racist. The destiny of the kids is partly in a school-board's hands and here it is decided by a blood connection without any reference to the qualities or views of the man.


Rolling Eyes
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 07:59 am
revel wrote:
Oh please, woiyo; are you serious? Unfortunately you probably are.

Even more depressing and dispiriting and disillusioning (can't come up with more words to express it) Hillary has passed Obama in opinion polls for the first time in months.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/ts_nm/usa_politics_gallup_dc

If she gets it I won't vote as I see little significant differences between her and McCain and I don't like either of them anymore. But in the end if Hillary gets it I may even throw my vote for McCain and vote republican for the first in my adult life (other than my father-in-law for chairman of school board-felt honor bound) I am so disgusted in general with the democrats in this whole election cycle.


Revel

You have your arrow pointed at the wrong target. Do not make the mistake of imagining that the last seven years, and the state of things today in the US, is merely a consequence of George Bush. Please do read this Lapham piece.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Republican-Propaganda1sep04.htm
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spendius
 
  1  
Thu 20 Mar, 2008 08:07 am
revel-

You can roll your eyes all you want but it is a bit clannish, not to say self-indulgent, to hand the thousands of kids into the power of your father-in-law merely because he was your father-in-law.

Did you not know you were racist? How can that be anything to do with skin colour when there are all these intermediate shades.

Some people might stop, or start, sunbathing in that case.
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