Obama '08?

Foxfyre wrote:

Who Shelby Steele is:

An Uncle Tom. A sellout. That is who he is.

blatham wrote:

But perhaps we ought to take up somethings that a sane person might consider important in a presidential candidate. Two would be, you'd think, knowledge and mental competence.

Some of you would have seen McCain speaking in Iraq yesterday and how he needed to be corrected by Lieberman on that piddling and insignificant issue of whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or someone else or if someone else was doing something with someone else.

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No Gaffe, Just Totally Out of It?

I was working on a longer post about John McCain this afternoon, which I'm hoping to post tomorrow. But I just noticed that this goof where McCain got confused about whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or not didn't just happen once. McCain apparently said the same thing several times, in a couple different venues - not just in the press conference, where Joe Lieberman of all people finally had to correct him, but earlier on the Hugh Hewitt show.

(I'm assuming that no one noticed on Hewitt's show. They said Saddam had nukes and bio weapons but left them in a safe deposit box in Damascus. So by those standards thinking the Iranians run al Qaeda isn't that big a stretch.)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Iran probably trains both. Not much of a gaffe. Did you have a similar fit when Obama said 10,000 died in the Greensboro tornado? He was surrounded by aides, none of whom jumped in to correct him (12 died) and the next day Obama blamed his 'gaffe' on campaign fatigue. (The campaign had just begun).

Roxxxanne wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Who Shelby Steele is:

An Uncle Tom. A sellout. That is who he is.

I thought you Obamaites were above such racial epithets...

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

blatham wrote:

But perhaps we ought to take up somethings that a sane person might consider important in a presidential candidate. Two would be, you'd think, knowledge and mental competence.

Some of you would have seen McCain speaking in Iraq yesterday and how he needed to be corrected by Lieberman on that piddling and insignificant issue of whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or someone else or if someone else was doing something with someone else.

Quote:

No Gaffe, Just Totally Out of It?

I was working on a longer post about John McCain this afternoon, which I'm hoping to post tomorrow. But I just noticed that this goof where McCain got confused about whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or not didn't just happen once. McCain apparently said the same thing several times, in a couple different venues - not just in the press conference, where Joe Lieberman of all people finally had to correct him, but earlier on the Hugh Hewitt show.

(I'm assuming that no one noticed on Hewitt's show. They said Saddam had nukes and bio weapons but left them in a safe deposit box in Damascus. So by those standards thinking the Iranians run al Qaeda isn't that big a stretch.)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Iran probably trains both. Not much of a gaffe. Did you have a similar fit when Obama said 10,000 died in the Greensboro tornado? He was surrounded by aides, none of whom jumped in to correct him (12 died) and the next day Obama blamed his 'gaffe' on campaign fatigue. (The campaign had just begun).

nappy noggin

Let's end this off with a kiss or a buttock massage or something. I really don't have any interest in speaking with you. You're a partisan shill and demonstrate little ability to think past the bounds of your dogmatic and propaganda-supplied cliches.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Who Shelby Steele is:

An Uncle Tom. A sellout. That is who he is.

I thought you Obamaites were above such racial epithets...

Well, blame on the fact that I was a longtime Hillary supporter.

(Sad that all you have left are strawman arguments)

blatham wrote:

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

blatham wrote:

But perhaps we ought to take up somethings that a sane person might consider important in a presidential candidate. Two would be, you'd think, knowledge and mental competence.

Some of you would have seen McCain speaking in Iraq yesterday and how he needed to be corrected by Lieberman on that piddling and insignificant issue of whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or someone else or if someone else was doing something with someone else.

Quote:

No Gaffe, Just Totally Out of It?

I was working on a longer post about John McCain this afternoon, which I'm hoping to post tomorrow. But I just noticed that this goof where McCain got confused about whether Iran was training al Qaeda operatives or not didn't just happen once. McCain apparently said the same thing several times, in a couple different venues - not just in the press conference, where Joe Lieberman of all people finally had to correct him, but earlier on the Hugh Hewitt show.

(I'm assuming that no one noticed on Hewitt's show. They said Saddam had nukes and bio weapons but left them in a safe deposit box in Damascus. So by those standards thinking the Iranians run al Qaeda isn't that big a stretch.)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Iran probably trains both. Not much of a gaffe. Did you have a similar fit when Obama said 10,000 died in the Greensboro tornado? He was surrounded by aides, none of whom jumped in to correct him (12 died) and the next day Obama blamed his 'gaffe' on campaign fatigue. (The campaign had just begun).

nappy noggin

Let's end this off with a kiss or a buttock massage or something. I really don't have any interest in speaking with you. You're a partisan shill and demonstrate little ability to think past the bounds of your dogmatic and propaganda-supplied cliches.

Politicians are human. Humans make mistakes. If pointing that out is seen as a propaganda-supplied cliche by you, it just shows me that you aren't willing to acknowledge that no one is perfect.

Foxfyre wrote:

The point here is what almost all media sources seem to be implying now in a way that was not implied before the speech. Obama was what Steele calls a 'bargainer' before. The campaign was not about race.

As a result of the speech, now it is in a way that it was not before.

I confess that I don't understand what this means. I read Steele's piece but I still don't understand what point is being made. And I wonder, is Steele's the only POV you've read or are there others that might contradict it or just see it from another angle?

Did you see or read Obama's speech? What did you think of it?

There is a huge difference between imperfect and [i[mentally incompetent.[/i] PTSD is no laughing matter.

What Steele, Sowell, and others are now saying is that the speech brought race to the forefront and Obama is more likely to now be seen as 'the black candidate' in a way that was not the case before.

Man made humanoid anomaly wrote:

There is a huge difference between imperfect and [i[mentally incompetent.[/i] PTSD is no laughing matter.

Then you should seek help for yours.

I thought I recognized the name of Shelby Steele...I read the review of his book about Barack Obama in the New York Review of Books...his book about how Barack Obama can't win. I was not impressed with his conclusions. Also Hoover Institute does connote to me a negative...

You might try loosening your girdle Roxxxxxanne. I hear it does wonders for the disposition.

I brought it up the first time because it was pertinent to the discussion. The second time was in direct response to a question about it from Freeduck.

and I think he failed to be convincing to those who wonder how much emotional investment he has in Pastor Wright and is now disavowing that only because it has become a political liability.

I happen to be a fan of Dr. Steele though and I haven't seen anybody else who has done as much research or in depth analysis of Barack Obama as he has. And Steele is an acknowledged expert and authority on race in America.

[as] I read his essay, I found myself thinking that Steele was trapped in a time warp, that his knowledge of the currents of thought and attitude among black people stopped sometime around 1990. Less charitably, I found myself thinking that the egregious Al Sharpton is not the only one with an investment in a static view of American race relations....It apparently never occurs to Steele that for a man a generation younger than himself the terms of blackness might be different, that the "totalitarian" demands he [Steele] encountered in the '60s might no longer prevail, that Barack Obama's mixed-race experience might actually be different than Shelby Steele's.