Obama '08?

real life wrote:

You'd have to be out of your mind to set rules that disenfranchise two of the largest states.

Do you think the national party wants those states sitting on their hands in protest in November?

I posted this on the Polls etc thread a week ago or so:

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Floridian Democrats are apparently much more nuanced in their opinion about the whole primaries and convention seating clusterf*ck than either the Hillary campaign or the media would have you believe.

Quote:

Floridian Democrats also weighed in on whether and/or how their delegation should be seated at the national convention -- 28% said the state party should hold another Democratic primary or caucus; 24% believe the delegation should be seated, according to the Jan. 29th primary; 15% say "the Florida Democratic Party knowingly violated the national party rules, so it should accept the penalty"; 13% favor a delegation that is split evenly between Clinton and Obama; and 20% say they aren't sure.

Source (MSNBC)

That's just 24% agreeing with the Hillary line that anything short of seating Florida delegates on the basis of the primary results is some kind of disenfranchisement, and a total of 56% agreeing that the Jan. 29 primary results can not be used as basis for delegate seating.

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Butrflynet wrote:

Why isn't there much talk about the Wyoming caucus on Saturday? There aren't any polls or much in the way of media reports. There isn't even much coming from Obama HQ on Wyoming, no urging to make phone calls, etc.

Is everyone skipping over Wyoming?

actually bill is going to be there tomorrow according to NPR and Obama is going Saturday i think it is... again according to NPR

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nimh wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
If they want a voice they should join the party. I don't think yo guys understand what it means to be a member of a party.

See above.

And please - before you spout off about what we must not understand, please remember that you dont know anything about us. I, for one, have been a member of the Green Left party in Holland for ten years now - did a bunch of volunteering for it too. So I think I ounderstand what it means to be a member of a party".

Oh ****, that's right, you are not even an American. You have no idea what it means to be a Democrat in the US. Again, if you want to run the party, first you have to be a member.

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Per DemConWatch,

Obama's lead - and this is before the caucuses in TX are all counted - is exactly 8 delegates smaller then it was yesterday.

I'm not too concerned at this point. If Obama can win MS and WY, then he is still good to go. Talk to me next Wed., I might be concerned by then Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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Roxxxanne wrote:

If, if, if, if.

Ehm, this is just straight facts, Roxxxanne. Self-identified Democrats have in majority voted for Hillary.

If your opinion that Independents and Republicans should be barred from any say in the selection process of the Democratic presidential nominee had been the rule, your (and my) favored candidate, Obama, would now be trailing in second place with little chance of winning.

So what's that do for your logic? You're in the process of cutting off your nose to spite your face here.

Not to mention that you're doing a lousy job as Obama supporter - you're actually actively turning people off. Last thing we need.

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Butrflynet wrote:

A very good complete run-down on how the fake CBC/NAFTA story helped to slow Obama's momentum...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/5/112926/0842/300/469572

Thanks for clearing this up, so now what? I just can't understand why the Canadian government would involve themselves and it gives the appearance of interference. I wanted to wipe that smirk, from Hillary's, "win at all cost", smile/smugness. She's wrapped herself in a "pipe dream", that Rove could only dream of. What a field day the Repugs are having on us, just when the Democrats had McCain on the run! I give up on this country and its' racially charged history. Crying or Very sad

"We have to decide who's on top of the ticket", when asked about a possible Clinton/Obama ticket! She's insane!

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Roxxxanne wrote:

Oh ****, that's right, you are not even an American. You have no idea what it means to be a Democrat in the US. Again, if you want to run the party, first you have to be a member.

What? This whole tangent has been particularly weird.

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Anybody who needs proof that it doesn't matter a shite who becomes President should study what has been posted on this thread since I left for the pub a bit back. Carefully.

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Butrflynet wrote:

Why isn't there much talk about the Wyoming caucus on Saturday? There aren't any polls or much in the way of media reports. There isn't even much coming from Obama HQ on Wyoming, no urging to make phone calls, etc.

Is everyone skipping over Wyoming?

Same happened with the Republicans. Their Wyoming primary actually took place even before the New Hampshire vote! Romney won, but nobody paid attention.

Except for Romney and Hunter, no candidates campaigned there, no polls were taken, and the media plain ignored it. Even though there were actually more delegates at stake there, than in New Hampshire, which of course was covered and polled to death.

Weird.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

You have no idea what it means to be a Democrat in the US. Again, if you want to run the party, first you have to be a member.

BS, of course.

We were talking about who gets to help determine the nominee. Your idea that only registered Democrats or party members should have a say is stupid enough, as it would work against the party in November, and ironically would have kneecapped the very candidate you so ardently support.

But still its just your idea. Wishful thinking I guess. In reality, you dont "have to be a member" to have a say in who the nominee is at all of course: most states have open primaries/caucuses. So you're just making **** up now.

Enough foolishness already, I'm moving on.

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It is very odd. For every single state thus far, we've been inundated with requests to help make phone calls to people in that state, to write letters to editors of newspapers in that state, to make trips to that state to do door-to-door canvassing... there hasn't been a peep from anyone, even on the internal LISTSERVs.

It's very unusual. I'm sure it is that some regrouping and re-analyzing is going on, but surely that's been happening all through this process up to now and it hasn't kept HQ this quiet.

Wonder what is going on......

The only thing I can figure out is that they must be working hard on herding the 50 new super delegate endorsement announcements that were hinted at yesterday.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

Again, Republicans should stay the f*** out of our business.

If you're trying to make an ass of yourself; it's working. Until such time as the Two Party System in this country is stripped of every advantage over third parties; calls for Independent voters to stay out of Democrat or Republican affairs will continue to constitute a desire for disenfranchisement. Furthermore, those Obama supporters not saddled with terminal ignorance know that without Independents and Republicans, Hillary would have wrapped up the nomination by now. Please quit with the shrill repetition of nonsense already.

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nimh wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
You have no idea what it means to be a Democrat in the US. Again, if you want to run the party, first you have to be a member.

BS, of course.

We were talking about who gets to help determine the nominee. Your idea that only registered Democrats or party members should have a say is stupid enough, as it would work against the party in November, and ironically would have kneecapped the very candidate you so ardently support.

But still its just your idea. Wishful thinking I guess. In reality, you dont "have to be a member" to have a say in who the nominee is at all of course: most states have open primaries/caucuses. So you're just making **** up now.

Enough foolishness already, I'm moving on.

I just posted a long reply that got lost in cyberspace. I have been working on Dem campaigns since JFK as a kid and I was a Civil Rights Activist as a teen. I am not going to allow people who don't want to join our party to try to run it. I am a Democrat first, above all. I am sick of losing elections, it seems like the last time the guy I worked for won was JFK.

If we lose this election, we will lose Roe V. Wade and we can kiss the Constitution good-bye. This is serous business. The future of our country is at stake. Again, you have no idea what it means to be a Democrat in this country.

Want a say? Join the damn party.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
Again, Republicans should stay the f*** out of our business.
If you're trying to make an ass of yourself; it's working. Until such time as the Two Party System in this country is stripped of every advantage over third parties; calls for Independent voters to stay out of Democrat or Republican affairs will continue to constitute a desire for disenfranchisement. Furthermore, those Obama supporters not saddled with terminal ignorance know that without Independents and Republicans, Hillary would have wrapped up the nomination by now. Please quit with the shrill repetition of nonsense already.

If you want to run our party, you need to join. If you can't understand that, I feel for you.

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That was flatly denied by the Obama campaign. That doesn't necessarily mean anything -- if it was in the works they'd probably not say it was in the works until they're ready to unveil it -- but FYI.

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Butrflynet wrote:

Why isn't there much talk about the Wyoming caucus on Saturday? There aren't any polls or much in the way of media reports. There isn't even much coming from Obama HQ on Wyoming, no urging to make phone calls, etc.

Is everyone skipping over Wyoming?

Because if all Obama's current volunteers make one call to Wyoming; they'll reach everyone there twice.

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Butrflynet wrote:

It is very odd. For every single state thus far, we've been inundated with requests to help make phone calls to people in that state, to write letters to editors of newspapers in that state, to make trips to that state to do door-to-door canvassing... there hasn't been a peep from anyone, even on the internal LISTSERVs.

It's very unusual. I'm sure it is that some regrouping and re-analyzing is going on, but surely that's been happening all through this process up to now and it hasn't kept HQ this quiet.

Wonder what is going on......

The only thing I can figure out is that they must be working hard on herding the 50 new super delegate endorsement announcements that were hinted at yesterday.

Pennsylvania is almost two months away. The strategy is being worked out I am sure. Sounds like Obama is going to come after Hillary and her two-faced bullshit hard. Pennsylvania is not looking good the way I see. The demos favor Hillary.

BTW when is she going to release her tax reports?

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:
Why isn't there much talk about the Wyoming caucus on Saturday? There aren't any polls or much in the way of media reports. There isn't even much coming from Obama HQ on Wyoming, no urging to make phone calls, etc.

Is everyone skipping over Wyoming?
Because if all Obama's current volunteers make one call to Wyoming; they'll reach everyone there twice.

Heh...probably true. Someone wrote an email yesterday saying they'd just hung up from a call they made to Ohio and they guy cussed her out because she was the 15th call he'd received in a week.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Again, Republicans should stay the f*** out of our business.
If you're trying to make an ass of yourself; it's working. Until such time as the Two Party System in this country is stripped of every advantage over third parties; calls for Independent voters to stay out of Democrat or Republican affairs will continue to constitute a desire for disenfranchisement. Furthermore, those Obama supporters not saddled with terminal ignorance know that without Independents and Republicans, Hillary would have wrapped up the nomination by now. Please quit with the shrill repetition of nonsense already.

If you want to run our party, you need to join. If you can't understand that, I feel for you.

Hope!! Change!!!

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