sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:03 pm
Some reassuring math from Jonathan Alter:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print

Swath from the middle:

Quote:
Actually, this much-too-generous scenario (which doesn't even account for Texas's weird "pri-caucus" system, which favors Obama in delegate selection) still leaves the pledged-delegate score at 1,634 for Obama to 1,576 for Clinton. That's a 58-delegate lead.
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echi
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:24 pm
One more vote for Obama... Going back tonight to caucus.
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I also want to express my surprise and frustration over the amount of blatant racism that exists in my own family. I always kind of knew it was there, but I didn't realize it was so deep. I look forward to fighting with them all as the process goes on.
And I really look forward to November when the Democratic nominee wins by the biggest landslide in history. (Their spirits will be crushed!) Very Happy
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:28 pm
sozobe wrote:
Some reassuring math from Jonathan Alter:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print

Swath from the middle:

Quote:
Actually, this much-too-generous scenario (which doesn't even account for Texas's weird "pri-caucus" system, which favors Obama in delegate selection) still leaves the pledged-delegate score at 1,634 for Obama to 1,576 for Clinton. That's a 58-delegate lead.


Sozobe:
I watch her every day and I wonder, what is it, she's not getting? Did someone turn on a switch? She's like a drug addict, in denial, that she has a problem! For an educated woman, she looks like a basket case!

Drunk
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:29 pm
I like your optimism, echi!

How was voting? (I assume you're in Texas, from the part about going back to caucus...?)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:30 pm
Oh and if I bothered to look at your location... heh, sorry.
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:41 pm
Forum comment of the day (on ruralvotes.com):

Quote:
Why does it feel disappointing ? He never was supposed to win in Ohio ! And yet it feels disappointing. Sigh.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:45 pm
echi wrote:
One more vote for Obama... Going back tonight to caucus.
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We look forward to your boots-on-the-ground commentary as the night wears on.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 04:48 pm
Good stuff from Chris Redfern!

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/texas_state_dem_chair_hillary.php

Quote:
If this is an indication of what Dem party infrastructure types will be saying about Hillary and the general election after the dust settles from today's contests, she will need a major win in Texas and Ohio to avert pressure to get out of the race:

    State Democratic Chairman Chris Redfern said Mrs. Clinton needs an 8-point victory margin in Ohio and Texas to remain in the race against Mr. Obama, who now has a lead of about 100 delegates and victories in the last 11 contests. "She must, in my opinion, make that kind of show. It's not an either-or," Mr. Redfern said. "If we don't have a nominee sooner rather than later, it makes it increasingly difficult to defeat John McCain."


People like Redfern, the Ohio state chair, will only grow more vocal in the days ahead, obviously. So it's do or die -- now.


This is the guy who I quoted saying some really irritatingly anti-Obama/ pro-Hillary things on my blog thread. I sent him a pretty strongly-worded letter (email) after reading that interview. Just got an email yesterday from his "executive assistant" saying he wants to write me a (paper) letter back and asking for my address.

Not claiming any credit (though that would be nice!) but I bet I'm not the only one who contacted him after that interview, and VERY nice to see this kind of thing from him.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:20 pm
Interesting side-bar about the judge in the Rezko courtroom drama...


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/as_the_scandal_turns_clinton_o.html

Quote:
As the Scandal Turns: Clinton, Obama, Rezko and Whitewater
Is this is a small world, or what?

Just two days ago, on a java-sipping Sunday morning, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson and Obama campaign strategist David Alexrod were going at it on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopolous" over strange real estate deals. Wolfson was in his element, firing away at Barack Obama for his land deal with accused swindler Tony Rezko; Alexrod said Hillary Rodham Clinton should be the last person "wanting to characterize any real estate transaction as unusual" -- a none too subtle reference to Clinton's Whitewater woes.

Cut to Monday: Rezko's extortion and money laundering trial began in Chicago. And who should be presiding as federal judge?


A sketch of Antoin 'Tony' Rezko's appearance before federal Judge Amy J. St. Eve at a federal court in Chicago, Monday, March 3, 2008." (The Associated Press - Verna Sadock) None other than Amy St. Eve, the youthful and diminutive former protégé of Ken Starr, the Whitewater independent counsel.

St. Eve was a deputy on Starr's prosecution team in Little Rock, Ark., that convicted Jim and Susan McDougal, famed former pals and business partners of the Clintons in that really unusual -- to paraphrase Axelrod -- Whitewater real estate deal.

St. Eve has made quite a name for herself as a federal judge since being appointed by President Bush in 2002 at the age of 36.

And not just because the blog Underneath Their Robes nominated her as one of the top "superhotties of the federal judiciary" in a 2004 contest. (They had a competition for male hotties of the federal bench, too.) The blog quoted one its devotees as saying St. Eve is "so cute, you can't believe she's a judge!"

But to Chicago lawyers, the "hottie" is a top-notch, no-nonsense jurist who runs a tight ship, as reported in this profile of St. Eve by the Financial Post.

Among St. Eve's biggest hits: presiding over the trial of medial mogul Conrad Black, another notch in the belt of U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who -- ironically -- has given Obama one of his premiere talking points against the Bush administration, thanks to his conviction of Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. In fact, Obama regularly vows, if he's elected president, to bring an end to "Scooter Libby justice" -- a reference to Bush's commutation of Libby's prison sentence.

Now, closing the loop on this head-spinning seven degrees of political scandal separation, Fitzgerald, whose office is prosecuting Rezko, could give Clinton a "Tony Rezko justice" talking point.

Depending, of course, on how Judge St. Eve rules.
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real life
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:33 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
From blueflame's article a few pages back: Neutral"George Orwell rightly warned us about the way politicians use words like "freedom" when such usage begs more questions than it answers. "Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way," he wrote in his famous essay Politics and the English Language. "That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different."

Clinton's audience certainly thought that what she was doing was standing four-square behind the veterans. That was they way they took it, and applauded her accordingly. Perhaps, though, before they make their choices tomorrow, the voters of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont should reread her words and ask themselves what the hell she really meant.

This is what her desperation has done; she has shown her true colors of deception to twist words that will win her votes. How can people continue to trust her?


Imposter,

Most of the country have clearly seen the 'true colors' of the Clintons since the early 90's.

Where have YOU been?

(And in case someone wants to dispute my use of 'most of the country', keep in mind Billy never won over 50% of the vote in either of his two presidential campaigns. 1992 -- 43%, 1996 -- 49% )
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real life
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:42 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
Thanks, fellas. I've found this discussion clarifying. Snood, clearly, is the problem.

Snood thinks about race. He thinks about the history of blacks in America. He thinks about the culture of african-americans. He thinks about his skin color. He thinks about the history of whites in America. He thinks about the culture of european-americans. He thinks about their skin color.

And there's the problem of race in america right there. Snood and other blacks (and there's a few whites in here too) think about race.

They ought to stop thinking about this stuff because it is their thinking that now creates racism in america. The premise of their thinking is..."differences"! With that premise, it's no surprise that they will inevitably toss that race card out onto every table, scattering crumpet crumbs and jiggling teacups.

If they would just stop thinking "different!" and begin thinking "ditto!" or "copy" or "clone" or "facsimile" then race would no longer pose problems for everyone. Race would disappear as a factor in social and mental architecture.

Clearly, blacks like snood have commonly failed in this natural progression towards non-blackness because they haven't properly appreciated the vital non-blackness of the conservative world-view and value-set.


blatham wrote:
dys said
Quote:
I've found that by using an 18% gray card and adjusting shutter speed and/or the aperture size I can alter all people and the entire universe to a single neutral non-descript, valueless white rendering the concept "colour blind" with an entirely new meaning.


You're on to something, dys. If we can get the Polaroid people to make an attachment for black peoples' eyes and brains, then that would really help the efforts to get them color-blind.


I sense your sarcasm, blatham, and I want you to know I have had an epiphany ... you are absolutely right. We all (blacks, browns, whites, reds, yellows, etc.) should attend to life in a state of constant awareness of the color of our skin and the color of the skin of the people with whom we interact. I am sure -- now that I have had the benefit of your sage insight on this issue -- that this is the path towards ending racial tensions in America and elsewhere. We should not strive for a society where the color of one's skin does not matter ... a world where we live our lives blind to the blackness or whiteness of the person next to us. After all, the fact that there has been inequality because of skin quality only shows us all the more clearly the value of maintaining our own cultural and racial identities.

In fact, I'm henceforth going to make my voting decisions based upon the color of the skin of the candidate running. Clearly that is at least as -- if not more -- important that the candidate's stance with regard to any of the issues not involving skin color.

I am so fired up about this revelation, I'm going to go out right now and celebrate the color of my skin.

Viva la differance!


How disappointing.

MLK Jr was wrong after all.

And I so enjoyed the speech where he talked about the color blind society and measuring men by their character.

How could he have misled me so?

I am embarrassed.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:43 pm
Where have I been? I have ranked Bill Clinton higher than George Bush simply on the basis of the economy, but he's a scumbag that gave pardons to many criminals before his tenure was up. Talk about using the presidential powers in the wrong way, Bill was disgusting!

Many of Bill Clinton's missteps and wrong-doings came out after he became a private citizen, but I don't trust either of them as being ethical or righteous.

You've probably been missing all the negatives I've been writing up on Hillary. Some times you have to wake up and smell the coffee before you go sputtering around with dumb statements.
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real life
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:53 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
spendius wrote:
BTW BPB -- how illegal?


illegal? questions of legality in government decisions officially became a moot point in america anyway in 2000AD


When Bill Clinton was President.

Yep, sounds right.

That's the year the Clinton administration wrecked the tech sector of the economy. They sued Microsoft Corp.

When MS came under the govt crosshairs, the tech heavy NASDAQ melted. It precipitously dropped on that very day and for several days. It continued for over a year.

The NASDAQ lost 50% of it's value in just 12 months, going from 5000 to 2500 from Jan 2000 to Jan 2001. (Bush took office in Jan 2001.)

The recession that GWB inherited is largely attributable to this.

If Bush during his term had presided over such a stock market debacle, do you think the press would let it alone?

But how often have you seen this historical event in print?
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real life
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Many of Bill Clinton's missteps and wrong-doings came out after he became a private citizen


Only to those who were willfully blind for 8 years. Laughing
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:59 pm
Vermont polls close momentarily...
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 05:59 pm
Do you mean like the eight years under George Bush when most things were revealed while he was in office?

Please tell us what was common knowledge under Bill Clinton during his eight years that was in the "open?"
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 06:00 pm
Obama wins Vermont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 06:01 pm
I think Hillary wins Ohio, I am really nervous about Texas. Obama lost momentum the last 24 hours...

anyway right now it is 12 in a row for Barack
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 06:02 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
I think Hillary wins Ohio, I am really nervous about Texas. Obama lost momentum the 24 hours...


So many early votes tho.

I think Obama is going to win TX, I really do.

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2008 06:04 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
I think Hillary wins Ohio, I am really nervous about Texas. Obama lost momentum the 24 hours...


So many early votes tho.

I think Obama is going to win TX, I really do.

Cycloptichorn


I was almost sure he would...spent today at a medical office in Dallas, they had the local hip easy listening station on, Obama was on like every 30 minutes with ads, didn't hear Hillary once.
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