nimh
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 03:16 pm
blatham wrote:
Finn wrote:
Here's a radical suggestion for you all:

Ignore him.

Don't read his posts. Don't respond to them
[..].


Indeedie.

I've actually quite enjoyed bantering with him in this thread. More relevantly, I have, as it happens, succeeded to not just remain on topic, but find several interesting new links / articles and data on the subject while doing so. A cursory browse of the past pages should show them up.
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 03:37 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I confront those with whom I disagree, as do you. Perhaps we're not so different as you might like to think.

I confront those with whom I disagree, when I'm up to it - no matter which side of the political divide they are on.

For sure, I disagree more often with conservatives than with liberals, when it comes to actual arguments. But if a liberal or leftwinger says something out of line, I'm not going to hold back because he's "on my side". Because I don't want to break ranks or give the enemy an opportunity, or whatever the reasoning is that underlies that kind of hypocrisy.

You appear happy to denounce people for wild or insulting behaviour when they are, in your eyes, on the other side - say, Roxx - but will let the very same behaviour pass, or even defend it, when it comes from a conservative or rightwinger - say, Bernard.

That's where the difference is. I don't hold much of that kind of mentality.

(OK, now this post was off-topic)
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 03:47 pm
nimh is one of the very few posters on a2k with some integrity. I've tried to do the same in some cases where I find articles that are negative against democrats/liberals. nimh has my confidence even when he challenges me.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 04:17 pm
nimh

Sorry if you took my post to seem directed towards you. It wasn't. I've experimented with discussion with the fellow too and there's always some value to be obtained in pretty much any activity. But in the overall scheme of things, I've found this fellow's participation (style, content, number of posts, length of posts) a clear overall negative for the community here.

Thus my post was really meant as a 'second' to finn's.
0 Replies
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 04:40 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I confront those with whom I disagree, as do you. Perhaps we're not so different as you might like to think.

I confront those with whom I disagree, when I'm up to it - no matter which side of the political divide they are on.

For sure, I disagree more often with conservatives than with liberals, when it comes to actual arguments. But if a liberal or leftwinger says something out of line, I'm not going to hold back because he's "on my side". Because I don't want to break ranks or give the enemy an opportunity, or whatever the reasoning is that underlies that kind of hypocrisy.

You appear happy to denounce people for wild or insulting behaviour when they are, in your eyes, on the other side - say, Roxx - but will let the very same behaviour pass, or even defend it, when it comes from a conservative or rightwinger - say, Bernard.

That's where the difference is. I don't hold much of that kind of mentality.

(OK, now this post was off-topic)


I don't think I have often denounced people for wild or insulting behavior. I have, on the other hand, frequently denounced people for wild and idiotic comments. As for insults, I tend to return them in kind rather than wag my finger at the insulter. I focus on the left-wing in part because I know there will never be a shortage in A2K of critics of their right-wing counterparts and, in part, because it is more enjoyable.

I'm also happy that you find A2K postings to be a test of your integrity, and that you give yourself such high marks. Alas, I do not feel compelled to equitably spread my scorn for twits on both sides of the spectrum. I doubt though that you will find too many, if any at all, examples of my defending wild and insulting behavior (unless of course it is my own).
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 04:51 pm
I have a different opinion. When I began to post, I worked very hard to be as polite to people as I could. I regulary addressed them as Mr. or Ms.
I can, of course, go to search to find instances where the "gentleman" Mr. Blatham, addressed me as "excrement" and where Mr. Imposter used obscene language towards me. Nimh, Unfortunately, also referred to me as the "village idiot".

While such labels are obviously in violation of the TOS, I care nothing for that prodecure.

I am really amazed that someone as brilliant and learned and LIBERAL as Mr. Blatham would deny me my right to post. His admonition that no one interact with me has no effect, I assure you, on my posting, present and future, but it does, no matter how many protestations the learned Mr. Blatham makes, convince me beyond the shadow of a doubt that he fears my posts and cannot debate with me without being shown to be a loser!


Otherwise, why wouldn't the learned and erudite Mr. Blatham wipe my arguments out in one or two impressive paragraphs and force me from the field to be the laughing stock because I had been put in my place!!!


I am very sorry, Mr. Blatham, you don't have to read my posts. Neither does anyone else, but I assure you that when you make the same old supercilious elitist statements you are prone to make, whether or not you like it, I will be there to post a demurrer.
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 04:55 pm
Mr. Blatham wrote:

Sorry if you took my post to seem directed towards you. It wasn't. I've experimented with discussion with the fellow too and there's always some value to be obtained in pretty much any activity. But in the overall scheme of things, I've found this fellow's participation (style, content, number of posts, length of posts) a clear overall negative for the community here.

************************************************************
I was unaware that Mr. Blatham had been appointed warden of these posts. Did I miss an announcement? My interaction with others opposed to Mr. Blatham, reveals that some feel that is positively insulted when someone dares to contradict him.

I respectfully suggest that Mr. Blatham look into the possibility of taking some "selt esteem therapy". His ego appears to be so very very "fragile">
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 05:04 pm
Dear Mr possum, many of us regard integrity as usnig only one username rather than hiding behind various usernames, You fail the first test of credibility.
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 05:13 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I'm also happy that you find A2K postings to be a test of your integrity, and that you give yourself such high marks. Alas, I do not feel compelled to equitably spread my scorn for twits on both sides of the spectrum.

Anything is a test of integrity <shrugs>.

For sure, I've seen where someone made the argument that web forum posting is in some way a kind of holiday from the kind of standards (of integrity, politeness, etc) that you would set yourself in normal life. And I'm definitely not the same here as I am IRL - but I dont see why I should suddenly stop trying to be fair just cause this is online.

Posting on a forum is pretty much the most inconsequential activity one can undertake in life, but it's a behaviour like any other, in which you can try to be integre [sp?], or not. Just like going to the shop and giving extra change back if the cashier made a mistake or something. Perfectly inconsequential - but yeah, sure, everything is a test of integrity of sorts. You know people by how they behave in all the little daily things, right?

Here we go into posting meta-politics... (Soz, stop us)
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 05:42 pm
Bernie, Get your head out of the sand; nobody fears your posts. Most don't take you seriously as the primary reason most jump on your inconsistencies. Your "mr" and "ms" doesn't fool anybody. Get over yourself.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 06:01 pm
BernardR wrote:
I have a different opinion. When I began to post, I worked very hard to be as polite to people as I could. I regulary addressed them as Mr. or Ms.
I can, of course, go to search to find instances where the "gentleman" Mr. Blatham, addressed me as "excrement" and where Mr. Imposter used obscene language towards me. Nimh, Unfortunately, also referred to me as the "village idiot".

While such labels are obviously in violation of the TOS, I care nothing for that prodecure.

I am really amazed that someone as brilliant and learned and LIBERAL as Mr. Blatham would deny me my right to post. His admonition that no one interact with me has no effect, I assure you, on my posting, present and future, but it does, no matter how many protestations the learned Mr. Blatham makes, convince me beyond the shadow of a doubt that he fears my posts and cannot debate with me without being shown to be a loser!


Otherwise, why wouldn't the learned and erudite Mr. Blatham wipe my arguments out in one or two impressive paragraphs and force me from the field to be the laughing stock because I had been put in my place!!!


I am very sorry, Mr. Blatham, you don't have to read my posts. Neither does anyone else, but I assure you that when you make the same old supercilious elitist statements you are prone to make, whether or not you like it, I will be there to post a demurrer.


Ummm...

...ahhh, never mind.
0 Replies
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 06:05 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I'm also happy that you find A2K postings to be a test of your integrity, and that you give yourself such high marks. Alas, I do not feel compelled to equitably spread my scorn for twits on both sides of the spectrum.

Anything is a test of integrity <shrugs>.

For sure, I've seen where someone made the argument that web forum posting is in some way a kind of holiday from the kind of standards (of integrity, politeness, etc) that you would set yourself in normal life. And I'm definitely not the same here as I am IRL - but I dont see why I should suddenly stop trying to be fair just cause this is online.

Posting on a forum is pretty much the most inconsequential activity one can undertake in life, but it's a behaviour like any other, in which you can try to be integre [sp?], or not. Just like going to the shop and giving extra change back if the cashier made a mistake or something. Perfectly inconsequential - but yeah, sure, everything is a test of integrity of sorts. You know people by how they behave in all the little daily things, right?

Here we go into posting meta-politics... (Soz, stop us)


I'm afraid I do not see the question of doling out criticism equally among posters of the left and right to be a matter of integrity. I don't fancy myself some sort of force of objectivity that is required to spread my rebukes fairly among the masses. Clearly your ethical code encompasses such a notion, but mine does not.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 06:13 pm
I agree with Finn; doling out criticism and integrity are two separate issues. That's about "fairness."
0 Replies
 
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 06:22 pm
I used to feel a bit bad about not spreading it out evenly, and fussed at lefties for not doing the same.

Then, I concluded that there are enough lefties to yell at the righties, and I basked in the luxury of not bitching at righties I like when their views are hideous.

However, since my views spread across every spectrum here, and I started to like various and sundry lefties, I now quietly wince at views of lefties AND righties and am running out of people I can bitch at.

Meh!






Laughing
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 06:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I agree with Finn; doling out criticism and integrity are two separate issues. That's about "fairness."

Fairness and integrity are separate issues?
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 07:52 pm
Yes, "integrity" is honesty. "Fairness" is equity.
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 10:14 pm
Mr. Imposter writes: Integrity is honesty.
Does Mr.Imposter believe that? If he does, he will review the many posts that have been made about the alleged search for Uranium by Iraq and the involvement of Mr. Wilson in that search.

I posted a replication to the essay by Mr. Podhoretz called "Who is lying About Iraq" Mr. Imposter refused to consider the post because he said that Mr. Podhoretz was a neo-con. Mr. Imposter NEVER EVER refuted the material in Mr. Podhoretz's essay( because he could not?)

When I asked him to search the Butler Report to see if the quotes made by Mr. Podhoretz in his essay CORRESPONDED EXACTLY with the findings made by THE BUTLER REPORT, I never received a response.


NOW, AGAIN,, IF MR. IMPOSTER TAKES THE BUTLER REPORT AS DEFINITIVE ON THE QUESTION OF SADDAM'S ATTEMPTS TO BUY ENRICHED URANIUM FROM NIGER.....AND HE THEN READS MR. PODHORETZ' ESSAY, HE WILL FIND THAT MR. PODHORETZ, WHOM HE DISMISSED OUT OF HAND, QUOTED THE BUTLER REPORT PERFECTLY AND IN SUCH A WAY AS TO PROVE THAT IRAQI OFFICIALS VISITED NIGER TO SEEK THE PURCHASE OF URANIUM.








Mr. Imposter says: Integrity is honesty? I suggest he practice it himself!!
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 10:22 pm
Bernie, Your only source is Podhoretz; give it up! You poor SOB..
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 10:27 pm
Dear Sir--Mr.Imposter. Your last post reveals the depth of your Ignorance.

If you are able to do so( and I very much doubt it) search for Butler Report--Then go to P. 125 in that report and compare what is written in that report with the material in Podhoretz' essay( I hope you can accomplish what I am sure might be a difficult task for you).

And then. If you really believe that Honest is Integrity--tell us what you find!!
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 29 Jul, 2006 10:29 pm
Bernie, Anybody that relies on only one source for any information is an idiot/moron of the first order: You.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

So....Will Biden Be VP? - Question by blueveinedthrobber
My view on Obama - Discussion by McGentrix
Obama/ Love Him or Hate Him, We've Got Him - Discussion by Phoenix32890
Obama fumbles at Faith Forum - Discussion by slkshock7
Expert: Obama is not the antichrist - Discussion by joefromchicago
Obama's State of the Union - Discussion by maxdancona
Obama 2012? - Discussion by snood
 
  1. Forums
  2. » Obama '08?
  3. » Page 56
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.75 seconds on 07/14/2025 at 10:41:23