Obama '08?

More recycling, this time in aggregate form - each one of the articles you had posted, or people criticizing Obama, had already been posted here.

can't you come up with something better? I mean, this:

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Patrick told Obama to try out his defense. Obama did, and got negative headlines on network news and in major newspapers in the 24 hours before the Wisconsin vote."

Wow, what a mistake by Obama. 'cept he won Wisconsin by 17 points. Guess that negative media cycle wasn't as important as you seem to make it out to be.

Cycloptichorn

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Robert Gentel wrote:

real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Wrong.

I was answering a specific question, why would a Jew hesitate to support Obama.

I stated that anti-Semites support Obama, (thus Jews might well be worried as to why.)

My statement was challenged, and I produced the quote from Farrakhan, a well known anti-Semite, who was glowing in his praise of Obama.

I did not state Obama was an anti-Semite. Perhaps he is or isn't. I don't know. But that was not the question.

Why don't you brush up on your reading skills a bit, before accusing others of 'fallacies' ?

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real life wrote:

Robert Gentel wrote:
real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Wrong.

I was answering a specific question, why would a Jew hesitate to support Obama.

I stated that anti-Semites support Obama, (thus Jews might well be worried as to why.)

My statement was challenged, and I produced the quote from Farrakhan, a well known anti-Semite, who was glowing in his praise of Obama.

I did not state Obama was an anti-Semite. Perhaps he is or isn't. I don't know. But that was not the question.

Why don't you brush up on your reading skills a bit, before accusing others of 'fallacies' ?

Considering that Obama has a quite semitic name, I wonder why you even think he would be anti-semitic.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

real life wrote:
Robert Gentel wrote:
real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Wrong.

I was answering a specific question, why would a Jew hesitate to support Obama.

I stated that anti-Semites support Obama, (thus Jews might well be worried as to why.)

My statement was challenged, and I produced the quote from Farrakhan, a well known anti-Semite, who was glowing in his praise of Obama.

I did not state Obama was an anti-Semite. Perhaps he is or isn't. I don't know. But that was not the question.

Why don't you brush up on your reading skills a bit, before accusing others of 'fallacies' ?

Considering that Obama has a quite semitic name, I wonder why you even think he would be anti-semitic.

Cycloptichorn

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an·ti-Sem·ite (nt-smt, nt-)
n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews

Where did I say Obama was anti-semitic?

And how does a name given by his Muslim father somehow insulate him from being anti-semitic?

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real life wrote:

Robert Gentel wrote:
real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Wrong.

I was answering a specific question, why would a Jew hesitate to support Obama.

I stated that anti-Semites support Obama, (thus Jews might well be worried as to why.)

My statement was challenged, and I produced the quote from Farrakhan, a well known anti-Semite, who was glowing in his praise of Obama.

I did not state Obama was an anti-Semite. Perhaps he is or isn't. I don't know. But that was not the question.

Why don't you brush up on your reading skills a bit, before accusing others of 'fallacies' ?

No, the charge that you've committed this particular logical fallacy is exactly correct. Read it. This is a fallacy of irrelevance. How long do you think it would take any of us to find a White Supremicist who supports George Bush or John McCain or Mike Huckabee? That some person with weird ideas supports a candidate or cause or proposition has ZERO relevance as regards that candidate or cause or proposition. The only reason you or anyone else might bright it up at all is to attempt to utilize this fallacy as a smear. Which is just what you did.

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Russert's Lowest Moment (and that's saying a lot)
I discussed this in the live debate blog. But I think it's worth going back and watching Russert's run of shame here. I would say it was borderline to bring up the issue of Farrakhan at all. But perhaps since it's getting some media play you bring it up just for the record, for Obama to address.

That's not what Russert did. He launches into it, gets into a parsing issue over word choices, then tries to find reasons to read into the record some of Farrakhan's vilest quotes after Obama has just said he denounces all of them. Then he launches into a bizarre series of logical fallacies that had Obama needing to assure Jews that he didn't believe that Farrakhan "epitomizes greatness".

As a Jew and perhaps more importantly simply as a sentient being I found it disgusting. It was a nationwide, televised, MSM version of one of those noxious Obama smear emails.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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Have to follow up re: the Hillary mailer I got yesterday.

In today's mail, a big, trifolded, colorful mailer. On the front, a picture of a smiling girl and the words "every daughter." Open the first flap, an on the left a smiling boy; "every son." On the right, a young couple with a baby; "every dad and every mom."

Open that flap to see "EVERYONE. That's who will be able to get affordable health care under Barack Obama's plan."

Then there's more info, bullet points and such.

On the back, a picture of Obama wi"Vote for Barack Obama in the Democratic Primary," with reminders about bringing ID, and the date and time to vote.

"Paid for by SEIU COPE. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

I noticed a lot of SEIU t-shirts and signs at the rally today.

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Here's another slimeball doing the slime thing you've attempted, real life...

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On the February 25 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity declared that Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan "had nice things to say" about Sen. Barack Obama, but did not mention that Obama responded to Farrakhan's remarks with a statement noting that "I have been ... a consistent denunciator of Louis Farrakhan." Hannity also referenced an award given to Farrakhan by Trumpet Newsmagazine, a publication founded by Obama's church, but did not note that the Obama campaign provided a statement criticizing Farrakhan and disagreeing with the magazine's decision to give him the award.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802260008?f=h_top

In case you were wondering how we know what you read and watch on TV...this is how.

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Farrakhan (very recently) received an award from Obama's church (not the denomination, but his specific local church), where he has attended for many years, and the pastor of which he describes as his 'mentor'.

If Obama wishes to repudiate Farrakhan, perhaps he should leave his church to show he really means it.

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real life wrote:

Farrakhan (very recently) received an award from Obama's church (not the denomination, but his specific local church), where he has attended for many years, and the pastor of which he describes as his 'mentor'.

If Obama wishes to repudiate Farrakhan, perhaps he should leave his church to show he really means it.

Let's see... my guess is he won't, and then you'll complain about it, and then it won't matter at all.

That seems to be the general way these things have been going lately. A bunch of bitching about nothing important from the right-wing.

You have no substantial attacks against the guy.

Cycloptichorn

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SEIU is probably Service Employees International Union - public service workers union? Includes a lot of health care workers. Another group expecting tremendous things from Senator Obama.

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That's the name of the game.

Coalitions of sectional interest carefully stitched together and the neatest one wins. Then they fight among themselves.

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You have no substantial attacks against the guy.

Cycloptichorn

eoe wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
She has no chance save a career-ending type Obama scandal.

And you'd better believe one thing. If the Clinton camp had an ace up their sleeve, as desperate as they are now, they damn sure would have played it.

I hate repeating myself. Very Happy

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eoe wrote:

I agree with you! I don't know who she had running her campaign, but they were inept! She came off looking desperate instead of confidence. Whenever she accused Barack Obama of something, he treated her accusations, very cooly and corrrected her accusations, insinuations, her insertion of race, her criticism of his style, the packed crowds he speaks to and the media! She's accused the media, of being against her. It's never her fault! It's everybody's fault but hers. Don't get me started on her husband! I'm disappointed, in both of them. She feels that the presidency is OWED, to her, after what she's been through, with Bill! Bill, just wants another go-round, in the White House!

Today, Obama, picked up 2 important endorsements, Senator Dodd and John Lewis, who has to go with his constituency, if he wants to return to Congress. Lewis, is an icon in Washington and a symbol of the civil rights, movement. He was young too, when he marched with Martin Luther King and said, that he really didn't have a choice, because he sees Barack Obama as a "movement"! :wink:

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I don't believe for a moment that whoever the president is, this congress is going to allow for any "honeymoon."

They'll keep funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and any initiative that will help the American People will take a back seat to the special interests and pork.

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teenyboone wrote:

Today, Obama, picked up 2 important endorsements, Senator Dodd and John Lewis, who has to go with his constituency, if he wants to return to Congress.

Do you know what would help these congressmen return to congress.....picking the president who would best serve our country. What could be better for democrats in 2010 than an excellent first 2 years under a democratic president?

Clinton would be that excellent democratic president.

Any congressmen that went against his constituency to vote for Clinton, would be rewarded if she became president and had the excellent first 2 years that she is more than capable of.

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teenyboone wrote:

eoe wrote:

I agree with you! I don't know who she had running her campaign, they were inept!

The answer is Mark Penn-- a rare combination of both idiot and a**hole.

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At the risk of confirming the worst "fandom" impressions of Obama supporters and getting maporsche to ridicule us all for it again, I offer you...

a really cute picture of Obama as a kid.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/slide1-barry.jpg

You see - before Barack Obama was your new bicycle, he just had a new bicycle.

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Are those red, white and blue ribbons on the handlebars?

Nice try Obama. Where's your flag pin?

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Is that one of those little white hats that Muslims wear?

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nimh wrote:

and getting maporsche to ridicule us all for it again

No need.....they'll be plenty of time to ridicule your choice for our president when/if he becomes president.

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maporsche wrote:

nimh wrote:
and getting maporsche to ridicule us all for it again

No need.....they'll be plenty of time to ridicule your choice for our president when/if he becomes president.

Why would you do such a thing?

Yaknow, given that you supposedly support Hillary to such an extent, and their positions on most issues match up almost identically, it's hard to see why you wouldn't be at least partially behind Obama.

Cycloptichorn

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