BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:00 am
Re: BBB
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. They consider women deficient because they were born without penises.

BBB


This is not only a sexist comment itself, you have demeaned yourself by even writing it in the first place.

Cycloptichorn


But it is true!

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:01 am
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. They consider women deficient because they were born without penises.

BBB


This is not only a sexist comment itself, you have demeaned yourself by even writing it in the first place.

Cycloptichorn


But it is true!

BBB


This is an assertion on your part. You have no objective evidence that this is true. And you knew that before you wrote it.

I understand that it's a frustrating time, but c'mon.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:03 am
nimh wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Peggy Noonan: Do the Obamas understand America?

Are the Obamas, at bottom, snobs? Do they understand America? Are they of it? Did anyone at their Ivy League universities school them in why one should love America? [..] Have they been, throughout their adulthood, so pampered and praised--so raised in the liberal cocoon--that they are essentially unaware of what and how normal Americans think? And are they, in this, like those cosseted yuppies, the Clintons?

Ah yes, those cosseted yuppies. The Obama's in their snobbish ivory tower - Michelle, that daughter of a city water plant employee and a secretary at Spiegel's catalog store, who grew up in Chicago's South Shore. Barack, who spent years working as community organizer in Chicago, helping low-income residents in public housing developments. And Bill Clinton, that son of a a traveling salesman, who was raised by his alcoholic, abusive step father, who ran an automobile dealership in Hot Springs, Arkansas, with his brother. Children of privilege! How would they know what regular Americans go through, or feel like!

No, then the Republicans. Salt of the earth, they are. In touch with the innermost sentiments of the struggling, American working families. Here, Mitt Romney, that son of a Governor and a Senator, who was named "Willard" after hotel magnate J. Willard Marriott. Went straight from graduating from Harvard to a private equity career that left him with a net worth of $250-500 million. Or Bush, the son of a President, who entered the oil industry after graduating from Harvard, spending his years as chief executive officer before being elected Governor.

Or John McCain, there's a guy who is really aware of what and how normal Americans think! No cossetted yuppie existence for him, in those 26 years he has now spent on end as a US Representative or Senator in the halls of Congress. He may be 72, but his mind is sharp as a tick, and he can better remember what it was like living as a regular, less supremely privileged American twentyseven years ago than Obama can remember his much more recent years outside the hallowed halls of national politics!

Peggy Noonan - silliness embodied.


Chicago's South Shore in the 60's was one of Chicago's most prestigious neighborhoods. Michelle's family may have been "poor" according to the mean income in that area, but they weren't 'poor' by your and my standards. She was admitted to Princeton and then Harvard indicating a pretty darn good education and having some money to boot. At the time she was commenting on it taking so long to pay off her and Barack's student loans, she was earning more than $200,000/year. That hardly makes those student loans much of a hardship don't you think?

Likewise Bill Clinton claiming to be a 'disadvantaged youth' which, speaking from experience, any child growing up in an alcoholic/abusive home is, was not disadvantaged for any lack of funds or opportunities. He also had all the money he needed to do pretty much anything he aspired to do.

There isn't a thing wrong with any of this. But it does sound condescending to those of us who couldn't afford to live on the Chicago South Shore or send our kids to Princeton or Harvard and who really did struggle to pay off student loans and who make do on ordinary people's incomes.

It is far more honest to admit that one is a child of privilege and to come from the position of being blessed and wanting the same blessings for others. Actually Michelle Obama has pretty much done just that, and I think she should be commended for it.
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:08 am
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. They consider women deficient because they were born without penises.

BBB


This is not only a sexist comment itself, you have demeaned yourself by even writing it in the first place.

Cycloptichorn


But it is true!

BBB
no IT'S NOT
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:09 am
Dys is right. And actually the more I think about it the angrier I get, b/c it's bullshit. And insulting. And it doesn't even make any sense - why was Clinton winning white males before if sexism is the reason they are against her?

Poor attempt

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:11 am
Re: BBB
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. They consider women deficient because they were born without penises.
BBB

This is not only a sexist comment itself, you have demeaned yourself by even writing it in the first place.
Cycloptichorn


It is true, and if you were not so young, you would know it is true. You apparently have no idea of what women of my generation went through to open doors for women of your generation. You should appreciate what they did for you so that you would have more choices than they had. I suggest you read more history so that you will better understand why so many women of my generation are supporting Hillary Clinton. They may be supporting her because she is a woman. I am not. I'm supporting her because I believe she is the best qualified candidate.

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:13 am
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. They consider women deficient because they were born without penises.
BBB

This is not only a sexist comment itself, you have demeaned yourself by even writing it in the first place.
Cycloptichorn


It is true, and if you were not so young, you would know it is true. You apparently have no idea of what women of my generation went through to open doors for women of your generation. You should appreciate what they did for you so that you would have more choices than they had. I suggest you read more history so that you will better understand why so many women of my generation are supporting Hillary Clinton. They may be supporting her because she is a woman. I am not. I'm supporting her because I believe she is the best qualified candidate.

BBB

BBB


Oh, I do understand what they went through. That has nothing to do, however, with the low insults that you wrote.

As I said above - it doesn't even make sense, b/c she was winning white males HANDILY to begin with.

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:16 am
Dys
Dys, don't tell me it's not true! Try walking in my life long shoes to understand. My life experience, and those of thousands of women I worked with, demonstrate it is true. It may not be as wide spread as it was among the men of my generation, but the attitude is still too prevelant among young men today.

BBB
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:17 am
Certainly, there are some men who will not vote for Hillary because she is a woman but I would suspect that most of them tend to vote Republican.
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Dys is right. And actually the more I think about it the angrier I get, b/c it's bullshit. And insulting. And it doesn't even make any sense - why was Clinton winning white males before if sexism is the reason they are against her?

Poor attempt

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
cyc
cyc, you are wrong again. "As I said above - it doesn't even make sense, b/c she was winning white males HANDILY to begin with."

The statistics were clear that the majority of white males were not voting for Clinton from the beginning. Read the voting statistics to correct your thinking. Clinton was not winning their support "handily."

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
Re: Dys
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Dys, don't tell me it's not true! Try walking in my life long shoes to understand. My life experience, and those of thousands of women I worked with, demonstrate it is true. It may not be as wide spread as it was among the men of my generation, but the attitude is still too prevelant among young men today.

BBB


How do you explain the fact that she was initially winning amongst white men? It doesn't square with your pronouncements of latent sexism.

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
cyc
cyc, you are wrong again. "As I said above - it doesn't even make sense, b/c she was winning white males HANDILY to begin with."

The statistics were clear that the majority of white males were not voting for Clinton from the beginning. Read the voting statistics to correct your thinking. Clinton was not winning their support "handily."

BBB
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:22 am
this IS NOT 1955 Bumblebee
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:32 am
Dys
dyslexia wrote:
this IS NOT 1955 Bumblebee


I'm so glad you told me it is not 1955 otherwise I wouldn't have known.

Yes, things have vastly improved but there are still huge numbers of men who would never vote for a women who might have influence over their lives. They are usually the children of parents who also did not support women's advancements. They often are shaped by their parent's religious beliefs. A good example are the opinions of people like candidate Huckabee who support the Baptist dogma about women's place in the world and in their families. More good examples are the hip hop and gangsta rap in the Black male community. There are good guys and bad guys out there in their attitudes toward women.

BBB
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:38 am
Re: Dys
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
this IS NOT 1955 Bumblebee


I'm so glad you told me it is not 1955 otherwise I wouldn't have known.

Yes, things have vastly improved but there are still huge numbers of men who would never vote for a women who might have influence over their lives. They are usually the children of parents who also did not support women's advancements. They often are shaped by their parent's religious beliefs. A good example are the opinions of people like candidate Huckabee who support the Baptist dogma about women's place in the world and in their families. More good examples are the hip hop and gangsta rap in the Black male community. There are good guys and bad guys out there in their attitudes toward women.

BBB
so lets castigat MEN because you have an attitude?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:43 am
Dys
Dys, you are putting words in my mouth I did not express. I said, "Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. I did not say all men. Why are you suggesting I'm castigating all men?

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:45 am
Re: Dys
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Dys, you are putting words in my mouth I did not express. I said, "Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. I did not say all men. Why are you suggesting I'm castigating all
men?

BBB


Ah, just white men, that's much better.

Sheesh

Assertion on your part, extrapolated from anecdotal personal data. Have you ever considered that maybe men are voting for Obama b/c he's a better candidate?

Cycloptichorn
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fbaezer
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:46 am
On the polls thread -I believe- I read about the exit-poll in the Louisiana Democratic primary.
According to it, 5% on one case and 8% on the other, said that they had voted Hillary mostly because of her race or that they had voted Obama mostly because of his gender.
These are people who acknowledged their reasoning. Maybe there were a few more.

I imagine this also happened in other states.
This leaves us with a minority of dupes who voted for good candidates for the wrong reason.

It happens in both sides. It has not been the determining factor, IMO.


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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Fri 22 Feb, 2008 11:47 am
Re: Dys
Cycloptichorn wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Dys, you are putting words in my mouth I did not express. I said, "Obama is gaining support from white males because so many will not, under any circumstances, vote for a woman president. I did not say all men. Why are you suggesting I'm castigating all
men?
BBB

Ah, just white men, that's much better.
Sheesh
Assertion on your part, extrapolated from anecdotal personal data. Have you ever considered that maybe men are voting for Obama b/c he's a better candidate?
Cycloptichorn


Yes, I have considered that as well that some women support Clinton because she is a women. I don't support her for that reason.

BBB
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