blueflame1
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:42 am
"First Thoughts on the 'NYT' Endorsement" http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08182003.html http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/07/06/image706947x.jpg
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Butrflynet
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 10:02 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The things learned on Fox News. . . .

In the recent contentious debate, Obama pummeled Hillary for her term on the Wal-Mart board of directors and she countered with his association with (Tony?) Rezko, Chicago slum lord.

Now this photo has surfaced of Bill and Hillary Clinton with none other than the infamous Rezko. (Experts are checking to see if it has been photoshopped, but it appears to be the real deal.) I had to go to Breitbart to get it and they apparently lifted it from the Huffington Post.

Isn't politics fun?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/9315/thumbs/s-HILLARY-CLINTON-REZKO-small.jpg



It wouldn't surpise me at all if the photo was supplied by the Clintons themselves. It gives them another opportunity to point to a photo op that thousands of people have had with the Clintons vs an alleged 17-year relationship between Obama and Rezko.

You can read the Today Show transcript and watch the video here to see how it is playing out and why it is so obviously another Clinton campaign trick.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/NBC_confronts_Hillary_with_slum_lord_0125.html
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maporsche
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 10:08 am
Butrflynet wrote:

It wouldn't surpise me at all if the photo was supplied by the Clintons themselves. It gives them another opportunity to point to a photo op that thousands of people have had with the Clintons vs an alleged 17-year relationship between Obama and Rezko.


It's a good tactic if that is indeed what it was. Like you said, it gives her the opportunity to reference a 17 YEAR relationship with Obama. A photo with this guy means nothing if there is no other contact. I have a photo with Senator McCain when I lived in Arizona.
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Foxfyre
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 10:26 am
Butrflynet wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The things learned on Fox News. . . .

In the recent contentious debate, Obama pummeled Hillary for her term on the Wal-Mart board of directors and she countered with his association with (Tony?) Rezko, Chicago slum lord.

Now this photo has surfaced of Bill and Hillary Clinton with none other than the infamous Rezko. (Experts are checking to see if it has been photoshopped, but it appears to be the real deal.) I had to go to Breitbart to get it and they apparently lifted it from the Huffington Post.

Isn't politics fun?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/9315/thumbs/s-HILLARY-CLINTON-REZKO-small.jpg



It wouldn't surpise me at all if the photo was supplied by the Clintons themselves. It gives them another opportunity to point to a photo op that thousands of people have had with the Clintons vs an alleged 17-year relationship between Obama and Rezko.

You can read the Today Show transcript and watch the video here to see how it is playing out and why it is so obviously another Clinton campaign trick.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/NBC_confronts_Hillary_with_slum_lord_0125.html


You may be right. Fox didn't speculate but I am seeing the buzz develop since. Much can be made of a photo--remember how much was made of a photo of Don Rumsfield shaking hands with Saddam Hussein decades ago--but the Clinton machine is really good in these kinds of things. Then again, the Clintons seem to be frequently plagued with severe spotty amnesia when it is convenient not to remember. Smile

It is that 17-yr relationship with Rezko that will prevent Obama from using the photo to his advantage. The anti-Hillary folks will get some mild mileage out of it. You KNOW they're digging like mad to see if there is a relationship beween Rezko and the Clintons though.

Ah, tis the season.
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nimh
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 10:40 am
Quote:
Obama's Feb 5 Strategy Develops....

24 Jan 2008 12:22 pm

So how does Barack Obama campaign after South Carolina?

The outlines of a strategy are becoming visible. Obama and his surrogates will operate under the assumption that the more aggressive Hillary Clinton campaigns, the more outbursts Bill Clinton has, the more voters in interior red and purple states will find the Clintons off-putting and that the negative feelings will obscure the Clinton mantra that only she (and he) can stand up and protect their interests.

Advisers believe that the more the Clintons poke at Obama, the more sympathetic he becomes, and the more she plays into his contention that she's a divisive, polarizing figure; Obama's polling shows and his campaign's strategists sense that it reminds Democrats in the interior of the country of the Clinton of yore: cold, unlikable, sarcastic -- and coastal. In states like Arizona, Kansas and Idaho and Missouri, Clinton will scare off independents and will lose support among younger women, in particular.

Also: Obama's brain trust believes that Clinton's decision to essentially cede South Carolina to him will backfire, as it will allow him to demonstrate that Iowa was not a fluke -- he can turnout young voters everywhere -- and, that African Americans will resent her refusal to participate in "their" primary.

The coastal prizes of California and New York will be tough, but Obama may well do better in enough congressional districts to keep the margins close -- better, Obama's team believes, than Clinton will do in the interior of the country.

Purple and Red-state surrogates abound: Gov. Janet Napolitano and Sen. Claire McCaskill will argue, in subtle terms, that only Obama can unify the country, which will be interpreted as a knock against Clinton's downward pull on other Demcorats on the ballot.

The concern is out there: one reason Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, carefully tended to by the Clinton world, has stayed neutral is that she fears that having Clinton on the ticket would hurt other Democrats in her state, a Clinton adviser who spoke to Sebelius said.

Once again, the campaign has one theory and the national political press corps has another.

The coverage so far has centered on the notion that Obama allowed Bill Clinton to break his stride and mess up his head, forcing him to spend half of his stump speech reciting and rebutting Clinton allegations. His unsurprising assumed victory South Carolina would reinforce the perception that Obama appeals only to young, rich, white people and to black voters.

Obama's campaign manager and surrogates are hosting a conference call later and will fill in some of the details.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:00 pm
well as a white middle class middle aged Englishman, I'm voting for Obama

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2246802,00.html

Embarrassed or rather I would.
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maporsche
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:02 pm
Well as a white, middle class, 28 year old American, I'm voting for Clinton.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:03 pm
As a white, middle class, 28 year old American, I'm voting for Obama.

Hillary has nothing that he doesn't have - except for liabilities.

Cycloptichorn
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Steve 41oo
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 12:15 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As a white, middle class, 28 year old American, I'm voting for Obama.

Hillary has nothing that he doesn't have - except for liabilities.

Cycloptichorn
and bazoomas but thats irrelevant for the purposes of electing a President. (or is it?)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 01:04 pm
I'm not sure who I'm voting for - yet, but it won't be Hillary. As much as I hate McCain's stay the course in Iraq, he can be trusted more than most of the others to do the right thing for our country,
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:17 pm
maporsche wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:

It wouldn't surpise me at all if the photo was supplied by the Clintons themselves. It gives them another opportunity to point to a photo op that thousands of people have had with the Clintons vs an alleged 17-year relationship between Obama and Rezko.


It's a good tactic if that is indeed what it was. Like you said, it gives her the opportunity to reference a 17 YEAR relationship with Obama. A photo with this guy means nothing if there is no other contact. I have a photo with Senator McCain when I lived in Arizona.


I agree. It is a clever tactic, and not at all dirty. The Media has thus far, largely, declined to investigate the Obama - Rezko connection. When it first broke several months ago, Obama dismissed it and the Media left it alone. The Clintons have, over the years benefited from the bias of the Media, but it wasn't appropriate for them and it's not appropriate for Obama.

If there's nothing to this issue, Obama should encourage the full story to come out, otherwise Clinton innuendo will do some damage.

If there's something to it, it will come out. Either the Clinton's pressure on the Media will bear fruit, or they will find a media shill to publish what they know.

If there's something to it, it spells the end of the Transcendent Obama, which, in a way, would be quite sad.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:21 pm
I think it already did some damage, and it'll remain that way until November, because most people will not seek the truth on anything mouthed by the Clintons. LIke Bush for many republicans, many believe the Clinton's do not lie.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:24 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure who I'm voting for - yet, but it won't be Hillary. As much as I hate McCain's stay the course in Iraq, he can be trusted more than most of the others to do the right thing for our country,


Quite an endorsement of McCain.

McCain has taken positions that drive liberals nuts, and he has taken positions that drive conservatives nuts, but one thing both sides generally agree upon is the high quality of his character.

There really isn't a Democratic candidate that a sizeable number of Republicans would consider voting for in any currently possible match-up
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 05:45 pm
I'm just watching from the side-lines for now, because we still have ten months before the election, and with politics almost anything can happen to the front-runners. I'm leaning towards McCain and Obama right now, but that can change depending on what happens between now and then. I've quit wasting my votes on a lost cause candidate, and one of those would have been Kucinich.
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teenyboone
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:23 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure who I'm voting for - yet, but it won't be Hillary. As much as I hate McCain's stay the course in Iraq, he can be trusted more than most of the others to do the right thing for our country,

Really? Seems he was a "doormat" for the Bushes! :wink:
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:26 pm
teenyboone wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm not sure who I'm voting for - yet, but it won't be Hillary. As much as I hate McCain's stay the course in Iraq, he can be trusted more than most of the others to do the right thing for our country,

Really? Seems he was a "doormat" for the Bushes! :wink:
Laughing A teeny bit of research would demonstrate how unscientific 'seems' is. :wink:
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nimh
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:43 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
McCain has taken positions that drive liberals nuts, and he has taken positions that drive conservatives nuts

Hell, he's taken a lot of positions that would have driven himself nuts a few years earlier. Or later. And then reversed those again.

OCCOM BILL wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Really? Seems he was a "doormat" for the Bushes! :wink:

Laughing A teeny bit of research would demonstrate how unscientific 'seems' is. :wink:

Dunno. He talked a good game, but when push came to shove he almost always voted for the Bush line after all. But by then, of course, all his critical talk in the preceding weeks or months had bolstered his "maverick" image, tainted only a little by the one-day story of how he ended up simply voting party line..
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:47 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
McCain has taken positions that drive liberals nuts, and he has taken positions that drive conservatives nuts

Hell, he's taken a lot of positions that would have driven himself nuts a few years earlier. Or later. And then reversed those again.

OCCOM BILL wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Really? Seems he was a "doormat" for the Bushes! :wink:

Laughing A teeny bit of research would demonstrate how unscientific 'seems' is. :wink:

Dunno. He talked a good game, but when push came to shove he almost always voted for the Bush line after all. But by then, of course, all his critical talk in the preceding weeks or months had bolstered his "maverick" image, tainted only a little by the one-day story of how he ended up simply voting party line..


I don't know of any politician who doesn't fit that Bill.
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blueflame1
 
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Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:00 pm
teeny, seems very much so. http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/e/1/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:09 pm
I remember that picture. I always think of Febreze ads when I see it.
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