okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:17 am
Is it just me, but the debate so clearly demonstrated the cat and mouse game between them and the moderator as to who could be the most politically correct. It becomes so phony, it is disgusting. If anything, it is a sad commentary on where we are as a society, and the Democratic candidates. The scenario goes like this, say something, check the polls, adjust what you say, check the polls, on and on.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:20 am
okie wrote: It becomes so phony, it is disgusting.


Yes, Bush comes to mind at the head of the class.
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okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:21 am
Bush doesn't check the polls every hour on the hour, ci.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:21 am
He doesn't check anything.

The Republican candidates are little better (with the exception of McCain). View Romney's hijacking of the 'change' message after IA.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:45 am
McCain, the so-called front-runner for the republicans doesn't have the support of Washington DC. I wonder if okie knows why?
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 11:59 am
sozobe wrote:
Also -- from Hillary's debate performance, from blogosphere chatter, from polls, etc. -- I think this was a really dangerous interval, and one that will be avoided by Hillary from now on (if she can help it) and likely Republican candidates, too, especially white male ones (as in, all the possibilities). If this ends up being a net positive for Obama -- if it really shifts the black vote (and I've seen a lot of comments about/ from black people who were incensed by the way this was handled by the Clintons), plus Obama is able to reassure the white vote that he's not just a black candidate, possibly even helped by the John Lewises and Charles Rangels defending Hillary in the way they did -- then I think this tactic (and I do think it was at least a little tactical) won't be used again.

OK, that was an ugly-ass paragraph, sorry, hope you can extract meaning from it (if not let me know and I'll try to explain better).



It isn't going away, it is becoming more complex. Half of the article is about Hillary's pursuit of Latinos but they choose to put only Obama's name in the headline as we're reminded that Blacks and Whites are not the only ones who vote in this country.


In Obama's Pursuit of Latinos Race Plays Role - New York Times

Excerpt:

Quote:
As the Democratic candidates have moved from courting the overwhelmingly white voters of Iowa and New Hampshire to an expanse of 25 contests facing them in the next few weeks, they confront an electorate that is increasingly Hispanic, in Nevada, California and New York.

Although the two candidates aggressively court those voters, who could be vital for Democrats this year and for years to come, the challenge is especially complex for Mr. Obama. It arises as Mrs. Clinton sought to tamp down reaction from Obama supporters to remarks she had made about the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Mr. Obama confronts a history of often uneasy and competitive relations between blacks and Hispanics, particularly as they have jockeyed for influence in cities like Chicago, Los Angeles and New York.
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:08 pm
Well this is good news....

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-labor16jan16,0,4560198,print.story?coll=la-home-center

LAT - Obama gets major labor endorsement
Durazo, L.A. County federation head, cites hopeful's background as part of her motivation.
By Robin Abcarian
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

January 16, 2008

The head of the politically powerful Los Angeles County Federation of Labor said Tuesday that she is endorsing Barack Obama for president.

The endorsement by Maria Elena Durazo is a coup for Obama that could help the Illinois senator in his uphill struggle against Hillary Rodham Clinton to win substantial support among Latino voters in Southern California. Obama has won the backing of other Los Angeles-area Latino leaders, but this is probably his biggest such endorsement yet, given the broad reach of the county labor federation.

As executive secretary-treasurer of the federation, Durazo heads an organization of more than 800,000 union members, the biggest regional labor group in California. It includes janitors, teachers, construction and hotel workers as well as supermarket and government employees.

Durazo said her endorsement, to be formally announced today, was a personal one. She is taking a leave of absence from her job to campaign for Obama through Feb. 5, when more than 20 states, including California, will conduct primaries or caucuses.

"My passion is the labor movement, and I believe very strongly that Sen. Obama is very clear about his support for workers who want to organize, workers who want to lift themselves out of poverty, and also protect good middle-class jobs," Durazo said in a phone interview before taking an evening flight to Nevada, where she will work for Obama through the state's Saturday caucuses.

"On a personal level, he really embodies the slogan we use a lot, Cesar Chavez's 'Sí, se puede.' (Yes, we can.") He has proved it by the way he inspires voters, the way he mobilizes."

Jaime A. Regalado, executive director of the Edmund G. "Pat" Brown Institute of Public Affairs at Cal State Los Angeles, said California's Latino voters back Clinton by a wide margin, but Durazo's endorsement "might well turn" the opinions of some undecided voters.

"She's a powerful player -- there's no question about that. It will move some people, it will cause some other people to think and rethink," he said. Still, the Durazo endorsement by itself, Regalado said, is "not enough to sway" a large number of Latino voters.

But Fernando Guerra, director of the Center for the Study of Los Angeles at Loyola Marymount University, emphasized Durazo's key role in local politics. He said Durazo "symbolizes the new power in Los Angeles and in California -- the marriage of Latinos and labor."

"And when you have those numbers, that organization and those volunteers, it makes an impact," Guerra said. "There is no person in all of California who could get more people out to the street to go do something, either to march or get the vote out."

Although Durazo's frequent political ally Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is a national co-chair of Clinton's campaign, she said her decision did not represent a serious break between the two, just a difference of opinion.

Durazo and her late husband, Miguel Contreras, who headed the county labor federation until his death in 2005, have had close ties with former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, the third major contender for the Democratic nomination. Edwards helped the federation in 2006 during a national campaign to unionize hotel workers. "He was very active on that campaign and that was very important to us, so it is difficult to make this choice," Durazo said.

Among the factors that influenced Durazo were the Obama endorsements last week by her national home union, Unite Here, along with its big culinary workers affiliate in Nevada. Durazo said she also was motivated by Obama's background as the son of an immigrant father and a U.S.-born mother who raised him as a single parent.

"He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth; he was raised in humble surroundings and that will carry over when he has to make tough decisions," Durazo said.

Durazo said she also was "excited" by the prospect of Obama's becoming the nation's first African American president. When she discussed her endorsement with her son Michael, a senior at Cathedral High School in Los Angeles, he urged her to choose Obama.

"He said, 'In the end, Mom, it's the chance of a lifetime.' For him to say that means a lot. It's true."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:10 pm
Obama, Clinton tied in 2008 Democratic race
By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
Wed Jan 16, 8:14 AM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Barack Obama has erased a once substantial deficit to climb into a virtual tie with Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
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eoe
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:11 pm
In a nutshell, the Hispanic vote is up in the air. Like everything else.
I gotta say it again.
Isn't this exciting??!! Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:15 pm
ditto.
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okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:34 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McCain, the so-called front-runner for the republicans doesn't have the support of Washington DC. I wonder if okie knows why?

So who are you talking about when you say, Washington DC, the policians, the press, the administration, etc.? He doesn't have my support either, do you know why?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:35 pm
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
McCain, the so-called front-runner for the republicans doesn't have the support of Washington DC. I wonder if okie knows why?

So who are you talking about when you say, Washington DC, the policians, the press, the administration, etc.? He doesn't have my support either, do you know why?


Because he's sensible, of course. He realizes that America really only consists of about 10-15% conservatives, and that's not enough to win.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:39 pm
McCain has always backed the war, the main reason Bush is demonized. Don't you think you and alot of other folks are a bit hypocritical, cyclops?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:42 pm
okie wrote:
McCain has always backed the war, the main reason Bush is demonized. Don't you think you and alot of other folks are a bit hypocritical, cyclops?


Nope. I'm not saying that I vote for him, but that he's a sensible candidate.

I'm anti-war and especially against the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is for it, is ridiculous and an idiot. Bush and his crew are ridiculous and idiots. McCain doesn't agree with me on the issue, but he's at least consistent and sensible about his position.

Cycloptichorn
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eoe
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:48 pm
Just saw your Guiliani tag, Cyclop.
Choice.
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okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 01:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
McCain has always backed the war, the main reason Bush is demonized. Don't you think you and alot of other folks are a bit hypocritical, cyclops?


Nope. I'm not saying that I vote for him, but that he's a sensible candidate.

I'm anti-war and especially against the Iraq war, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is for it, is ridiculous and an idiot. Bush and his crew are ridiculous and idiots. McCain doesn't agree with me on the issue, but he's at least consistent and sensible about his position.

Cycloptichorn

McCain has supported the war, and I admire him for having some gumption to buck the trends on everything, but he has been wrong on important other points, immigration, campaign finance, taxcuts, and he was ready to make deals, remember the gang of 14, in regard to appointment of judges. He claims to be a maverick, but he loves backroom deals with Ted Kennedy and that ilk. No way, McCain is wrong on too many things, and besides that, he strikes me as getting too old and tired. Being old is not a mistake, but lets face it, he just won't have the energy to be a problem solver like we need.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 03:08 pm
okie wrote: McCain has supported the war, and I admire him for having some gumption to buck the trends on everything, but he has been wrong on important other points, immigration, campaign finance, taxcuts, and he was ready to make deals, remember the gang of 14, in regard to appointment of judges. He claims to be a maverick, but he loves backroom deals with Ted Kennedy and that ilk. No way, McCain is wrong on too many things, and besides that, he strikes me as getting too old and tired. Being old is not a mistake, but lets face it, he just won't have the energy to be a problem solver like we need.

Just maybe, okie now has a feel for why Washington DC (republicans) don't support McCain.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 03:15 pm
Mc is not a system server but a multi billnr.
USA's election Drama has nothing to do with Democracy( My opinion)

"In the United States of America, the public selects the candidates of each of the two parties. Several candidates of these parties offer themselves to the citizens of a number of states, the free US press presents the policy positions of the candidates to the public, and the free broadcast media conduct debates in which the issues are openly discussed. Then the states hold primaries and caucuses, in which delegates are chosen by the voters, whereupon the delegates choose the parties’ nominees at open national party conventions.

And little George Washington really did chop down his daddy’s cherry tree.

The more the American public is persuaded to believe this pleasant myth of the “free and open election process,” the longer that public will believe that each new Chief Executive is the legitimate "people's choice." And that persisting public belief suits the powers that be in the military-industrial-corporate-media complex (MICMC) just fine.

In fact, the United States is one of the few two-party nations in which one party gets to choose both its own candidate, and also the candidate of the “opposing” party.

Well, OK, I exaggerate.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/12193
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okie
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 03:20 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:

Just maybe, okie now has a feel for why Washington DC (republicans) don't support McCain.

You changed your statement from Washington DC to Washington DC (republicans) I notice. That does explain it, ci, because McCain is not very republican on many issues.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Jan, 2008 03:26 pm
Tell that to all the republicans voting for McCain; but especially inform him, because he's a registered republican.
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