Obama '08?

Obama, an Illinois state senator representing the South Side of Chicago, is in fact a far-left politician who -- as I'll show in a future column -- seeks to force ever more socialist and racist laws and programs on the American people.

The only recognizably Christian position Obama takes is his opposition to same-sex marriage

If you can come up with anything as cute, appropriate and innocuous as SnoodWrong, be my guest.

Posted on Sun, Jul. 02, 2006

Newsmaker

Embrace of faith adds to Obama's appeal

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post

WASHINGTON - Democratic phenom Barack Obama was nearing the end of a speech about religion in politics Wednesday at a church in Washington when he mentioned the Sermon on the Mount.

"It's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application," he quipped.

The audience of left-leaning Christian leaders went nuts, apparently interpreting this as a barb at the White House and the war in Iraq. But Obama was being rhetorical, not suggesting the Pentagon should surrender to the meek.

Had he said such a thing during a political campaign, the other side could have used it: "When al-Qaida hits us, Obama turns the other cheek!" Or: "Barack Obama Loves our Enemies."

Therein lies both the promise and peril Democrats see in the freshman senator from Illinois. Forty-four years old and smart, he is enormously charismatic - and utterly undefined. Democrats who are worried about a Hillary Clinton debacle in 2008 think he could provide a fresh start after the fall of old bulls Al Gore and John Kerry.

The Obama Dilemma: Run for president now and risk looking inexperienced, or wait until later and risk becoming a guy who says, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

Whatever he is, he is something new for the Democrats. Without affectation or awkwardness Wednesday, he got off phrases such as "we are blessed" and "we can raise up this covenant" and "you need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away."

"Amen! Amen!" a woman cried out.

This is Obama's moment. He has a new (campaign?) book coming out, and he's the most popular Democrat on the fundraising circuit - collecting $6 million for other candidates and $1.5 million for his political action committee.

Like President Bush did on the stump, Obama spoke of his own embrace of Jesus after a secular childhood - what evangelicals call their testimony.

In some ways, Obama is a mirror image of Bush in '98. Where Bush was an avowed conservative who spoke liberals' language of compassion, Obama is a dedicated liberal who can converse fluently in the values talk of religious conservatives.

Just as Bush rhetorically took on the "leave us alone" conservatives in his party, Obama said he felt a "pang of shame" because his staff had put on his campaign Web site a "standard Democratic boilerplate" that disparaged abortion foes. He also complained that Democrats had "taken the bait" by banishing any hint of faith, and said they should favor faith-based addiction programs, voluntary prayer in schools and references to God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

You don't get to correct my inappropriateness out of one side of your mouth, and insult me out the other.

nimh-- If you only take information from articles written favorably (at least about the candidates you prefer), I think it is you who are missing the closer brush with a balanced view, she said in a friendly manner, with smiles and offers of rich, hot coffee.

I skimmed that section you lifted. It was a yawn. That only perks up the detectors, it doesn't shut down the process. We can't get all our information from sources slanted in our preferred direction... I think the statements Obama is quoted as saying in previous articles--about others, using, and hiding behind, their Christianity--and the fact that he is doing the same thing related to his homophobic stance on same sex marriage (citing religion) is something that should be acknowledged.

The lie about his position at Harvard is an indicator to his veracity.

And, his father was born into privilege. Referring to him as a goat herder, or having herded goats, was intentionally misleading. JFK might have referred to his dad as a rum runner. He was wealthy and privileged.

I'm not intent on attacking Obama, but I think the sheen of godlike attributes has tarnished. He's a man, like the rest of them. A liar for expediency.... like all of them.

With slanted pieces, certainly one doesn't buy everything. But, you wouldn't completely discount everything either, eh? But, in fairness, let's see if a more reputable source alludes to the same stories.

snood wrote:

You don't get to correct my inappropriateness out of one side of your mouth, and insult me out the other.

The fact that you were wrong, hence SnoodWrong, was not an insult, but if I must say so myself, a deft word choice involving rhyme, omiosis, ateismus and charientismus, as well as a quite obvious statement of fact, that you yourself admitted.



Please don't piss me off. I've just learned many new words, and am a threat to use them.

PS, nimh et al-- Walter has brought a couple of articles that show for all of Obama's criticisms of other "Christians," he intends to corner the market on using Christianity.

I mean, c'mon!!

nimh-- If you only take information from articles written favorably (at least about the candidates you prefer), I think it is you who are missing the closer brush with a balanced view

With slanted pieces, certainly one doesn't buy everything. But, you wouldn't completely discount everything either, eh?

PS, nimh et al-- Walter has brought a couple of articles that show for all of Obama's criticisms of other "Christians," he intends to corner the market on using Christianity.

nimh-- If you only take information from articles written favorably (at least about the candidates you prefer), I think it is you who are missing the closer brush with a balanced view, she said in a friendly manner, with smiles and offers of rich, hot coffee.

OK, but can you point out exactly what contradiction Obama is accused off, in this article you posted? Concretely, what did he say and how is it in contradiction with something else he said?

I don't like partisan crap either, especially when it takes the side opposite mine--but sometimes, there are facts buried amid the caterwauling.

I'm going out in a few--and I want to give this a bit of research and time, so I'll leave these points, and I'll be back to flesh them out.

Do you think it was intentionally misleading to refer to his father as one who herds goats, rather than a wealthy scion?

Do you think it was ok for him to falsely claim a position at Harvard?

Is his anti-same-sex marriage stance ok with you?

btw, I'm sure you do see the meat of the accusation in the article. Don't fall in line with your buds. Come on. Be real.

Re Walter's articles: What is the difference in Obama's religious pandering, and the accusations he has made against others doing the same thing?

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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is unelectable.

Gratuitous slime. Does your mother find you offensive too?

Last night, Hardball had a segment labeled "Obama for President?". I didn't get to hear more than a sentence or two, but noted the raised profile of this possibility.

As soz knows, I've been hoping/clamoring for this candidacy for a while now. Obama is a truly exceptional political figure with the potential to turn American political discourse in a much needed positive direction (the need being evidenced by the slime above).

I think it will be rather difficult to make anyone feel badly about calling the man by his name.

Lash wrote:

snood wrote:

Barack Obama's name has no connection - either metaphorical or grammatical, to Sadaam Hussein's.

Couldn't speak to a "grammatical" connection. Maybe you can explain that one. However, I'll have to press the issue about a metaphoric,...but moreso, a LITERAL connection to Saddam Hussein's name. Man, just a tiny google could have saved you from that humiliation.

snood wrote:

Perhaps the (reaching and smarmy) "ironic" connection that was intended was (the unoriginal) Barack Osama...

I think SierraSong deserves an apology from SnoodWrong.

Indeed he does. In my haste to defend one of the few politicos I have any faith left in, I assumed that Sierra was making a clever insult. Doubly embarrassing is the fact that I've actually read Obama's book, and should really have known better.

I apologize for what I said about smarmy and reaching, Sierra Song.

But if you intend to continue reworking my pseudoname Lash (SnoodWrong), I take it you won't have any objection to others doing likewise to yours.