sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 06:53 pm
Damn straight!

Interesting article here -- I mostly like the collection of links within it and the overview of the situation:

Quote:
We've all seen the cry of "voter fraud" being used for political purposes in recent years, but this latest example would be amusing if it weren't so pernicious: David Yepsen, a leading political reporter for The Des Moines Register, has suggested that Senator Obama's encouragement of college students to vote in the Iowa caucuses amounts to "fraud." President Bill Clinton too has gotten in on the action. Recognizing that such voting could well help Obama who has energized students on college campuses, beat his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton has discouraged such voting, telling college students to use their consciences in deciding whether or not to participate in the caucuses. But the bottom line is that voting by Iowa college students is perfectly legal, and indeed such voting could help to compensate for the otherwise anti-democratic nature of Iowa's role in the presidential election process.


(That paragraph is loaded with links in the original):

http://www.alternet.org/story/72583/

Mentioning it because I was a student at the University of Wisconsin when I voted for Bill in the primaries and then the general election.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 06:58 pm
There is an old expression about how one shouldn't watch laws or sausage being made. To that could be added the Dem party caucus wheeling/dealing in Iowa. It may seem audacious for candidate #4 to ask supporters to go for #1 or #2 after failing to get over the 15% mark. But, if he can pull it off, he may live on to be able to go on to NH. If not, his run is over.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:19 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
And yet the example couple that Thomas gave did exactly that based on an anonymous rumor heard via the email grapevine and they have no idea who the source of that cautionary request came from other than someone forwarded a copy to them.

Just for the record -- they said they didn't get it from an e-mail, anonymous or not. They couldn't tell me where it did come from. I suspect they subconsciously picked it up from Rush Limbaugh, whom they sometimes listen to for some sort of back ground noise in their home. "Just for fun, we don't really take the guy seriously". But again, that's speculation on my part. I really don't know where they got it from.
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JPB
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:35 pm
Apparently, the turnout is very high and entrance poll (for what it's worth) shows obama with a good lead.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:41 pm
Ooh, it's gonna be hard to go to bed tonight.

Where are you finding that info, JPB?
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JPB
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:44 pm
CNN and MSNBC -- I'm flipping between the two.

One caucus site has 260 or so participants tonight vs 84 (as I recall) in 2004.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:47 pm
OK, thanks!

I need to go to bed. Don't wanna don't wanna don't wanna! (I've been waiting for this since -- let me check when I started this thread -- March of 2006!! This isn't the only big event but it's the earliest and certainly one OF the biggest...!)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:48 pm
Here's entrance poll info:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:51 pm
Earliest results evidently put Edwards in the lead:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/index.html

Just 7% though.





I'm going.


Really.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:56 pm
Quote:
Sweet.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:56 pm
This one says Obama has the edge:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/


So it'll probably be Clinton, right?


Bluhbluhbluhbluh.


Goodnight!
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:57 pm
Yeah, I saw that!

<gets up, backs away from computer, while leaning over typing>

But I gotta go!
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 07:58 pm
sozobe wrote:
This one says Obama has the edge:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/


So it'll probably be Clinton, right?
No way. Gobama!
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:02 pm
Y'all seen this: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:04 pm
I'd just found it.

But I couldn't post it because I'm not here. (A lot of results --- 38% reporting already!)
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:06 pm
Changing by the minute... Crazy!
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:06 pm
The Richardson camp has taken off like the Irish in Braveheart! My island!

TY for the heads up, OE
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JPB
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:17 pm
57% in... Obama 35%, Edwards 31%, Clinton 31%
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:17 pm
OK, I've given up all pretense -- I just didn't think we'd be up to 57% reporting already.

35% for Obama! (Clinton and Edwards at 31%/ea.)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jan, 2008 08:18 pm
Jinx!!
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