snood
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 02:57 pm
Lash wrote:
Waitress runs for president---no experience necessary!!


Laughing Well, that would be a bit of a stretch, but my point stands as far as the POTUS having some OTJ training aspects about it for all those actually running.
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au1929
 
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Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:29 pm
snood wrote:
Lash wrote:
Waitress runs for president---no experience necessary!!


Laughing Well, that would be a bit of a stretch, but my point stands as far as the POTUS having some OTJ training aspects about it for all those actually running.


Do you believe there is a company in the world that would hire a CEO who had a paper thin resume and had no management experience? Why than would anyone in his right mind vote for someone who had none for POTUS.
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:48 pm
Lash wrote:
Waitress runs for president---no experience necessary!!
Ronald Reagan?
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Lash
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:49 pm
<smacks him silly, steals his Maker's Mark>
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 04:05 pm
How about Truman?
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snood
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:06 pm
au1929 wrote:
snood wrote:
Lash wrote:
Waitress runs for president---no experience necessary!!


Laughing Well, that would be a bit of a stretch, but my point stands as far as the POTUS having some OTJ training aspects about it for all those actually running.


Do you believe there is a company in the world that would hire a CEO who had a paper thin resume and had no management experience? Why than would anyone in his right mind vote for someone who had none for POTUS.


Well, some think a doofus with very little success managing anything and zero foreign policy experience got voted in for consecutive terms very recently.

But you are entitled to your opinion that Obama is so woefully and obviously unprepared for the office, and others are entitled to another opinion. Can we leave that piece there?
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Lash
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:08 pm
CI scores!
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okie
 
  1  
Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:10 pm
The office of governor does require some management skills, perhaps one reason governors are voted in as presidents. So perhaps some here have forgotten that Bush and Reagan were CEOs of states, better known as governors.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:23 pm
Oil Baron or Oil Barren
From Jacci Howard Bear,
Your Guide to Austin.

Who is George W. Bush? The Business of Oil
George W. Bush drilled a lot of dry holes while in the oil and gas industry. But his business failings (it can be a rough business after all) are not what most detractors latch onto in condemning his record - it's perceived conflicts of interest, alledged insider trading, and undue political influence.

"Reporters have been particularly intrigued by George W.'s adventure in the oil industry, and well they might be. There was something about it that smacked of a shell game run by a very fast hand."
Robert Sherrill writing for The Texas Observer

"Bush was still at Harken [Energy, company that acquired a failing Spectrum 7 where Bush was CEO] when his father won the 1988 presidential election, and in January of 1990, the company acquired exclusive offshore drilling rights from the government of Bahrain.

Harken acquired those rights even though, according to the Wall Street Journal, the company had 'never drilled a single well overseas or in water,' and had to seek out additional investors."
Michael King writing for The Texas Observer
Perhaps it was a coincidence or perhaps he was simply using the contacts at his disposal to get into a position to be considered for the contract. Whether or not he actually did anything wrong, it sure doesn't make him look good.

In 1992 U.S. News and World Report reported on some questionable dealings including possible insider trading involving Harken Energy stock. Although the evidence was serious enough to warrant an SEC investigation they ultimately decided not to punish Bush. Yet there are lingering doubts about Bush's activities and even about his Dad's political influence having a hand in the outcome.


Sometimes, even dummies hire other dummies to do a job they were never qualified for.
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okie
 
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Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:49 pm
Thats one reason why we don't need another Bush, ci.
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snood
 
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Mon 31 Dec, 2007 01:04 am
I don't know of a good place to say this - someplace where it will feel appropriate...


I predict John Edwards is going to win Iowa.
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nimh
 
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Mon 31 Dec, 2007 08:05 am
okie wrote:
The office of governor does require some management skills, perhaps one reason governors are voted in as presidents. So perhaps some here have forgotten that Bush and Reagan were CEOs of states, better known as governors.

I thought the governor of Texas had very little executive authority? That it was - well not quite a ceremonial position, but almost?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 31 Dec, 2007 11:42 am
From TomPaine.com:

Simmering Domestic Issues

As public concern over terrorism is supplanted by simmering domestic concerns like the environment and the economy, GWB's ratings also could suffer.

Take his tax cuts. The public clearly has other priorities and may not be convinced by Bush's pseudo-populist "it's your money" tax-cutting rhetoric.

The Democracy Corps poll found that 81 percent of Americans are opposed to keeping the tax cuts scheduled for 2004 and 2006 if the money comes out of Social Security. The same poll shows 54 percent favor canceling the tax cuts for families making over $130,000 per year. Eighty-four percent oppose keeping the Bush tax cuts if they cause an increase in the national debt. (Remember that the deficit was the first concern of Perot voters who abandoned GWB's dad in 1992.)

Zogby found that 71 percent of the public favored rolling back the tax cut to provide more money for prescription drugs for seniors. Furthermore, a Zogby poll released on February 6 asked the following question: "If after two years the war against terrorism has been won, but there is no prescription drug plan for seniors, would you rate President George W. Bush's performance as excellent, good, fair or poor?" Only 37 percent said excellent or good, while 54 percent said fair or poor!

These results are stunning (and largely overlooked): half of the people giving George W. a 73 percent job performance approval rating in the Zogby poll abandoned him over one issue -- prescription drugs.

These numbers suggest Bush's footing on top of Mount Gallup is slippery.

Can he hold his perch if the economy defies Wall Street's eternal optimists (the same ones who praised Enron so vociferously)? What if Bush's effort to conflate Iran/Iraq/North Korea into Hitler/Mussolini/Tojo leaves our foreign policy confused and our global standing diminished? What if most Americans turn out to agree with Secretary of State Colin Powell when it comes to condoms and sexually active teenagers? What if Americans begin to wonder why our national accounts are back in the red so soon after George W. took office?

This moment looks like Bush's peak. Sure, he's standing on top of Mount Gallup, but it's all downhill from there.
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High Seas
 
  1  
Mon 31 Dec, 2007 03:52 pm
Blatham - isn't it a bit early in your time zone for that punch bowl?! You posted link to Pipes twice....not that I would miss either him or the other clown if I never read them again >

Quote:
Reza Aslan | It'll take more than skin color and a dream to repair America's image in the Middle East.


> very happy new year to you, Lola, family, and everyone else here!
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Butrflynet
 
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Tue 1 Jan, 2008 12:56 am
Lots of graphs and charts at the link too...

I don't take it for granted though, and hope no one else does. The DesMoines Register endorsed Clinton. If I was a cynic, I'd say this could be an effort to distract some Iowans (college students) from the absolute need for them to get out and caucus for Obama.


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071231/NEWS09/71231044

December 31, 2007


New Iowa Poll: Obama widens lead over Clinton

By THOMAS BEAUMONT
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has widened his lead in Iowa over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards heading into Thursday's nominating caucuses, according to The Des Moines Register's final Iowa Poll before the 2008 nominating contests.

Obama's rise is the result in part of a dramatic influx of first-time caucusgoers, including a sizable bloc of political independents. Both groups prefer the Illinois senator in what has been a very competitive campaign.


Obama was the choice of 32 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers, up from 28 percent in the Register's last poll in late November, while Clinton, a New York senator, held steady at 25 percent and Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, was virtually unchanged at 24 percent.

The poll reflects continued fluidity in the race even as the end of the yearlong campaign nears. Roughly a third of likely caucusgoers say they could be persuaded to choose someone else before Thursday evening. Six percent were undecided or uncommitted.

The poll also reveals a widening gap between the three-way contest for the lead and the remaining candidates. No other Democrat received support from more than 6 percent of likely caucusgoers.

The findings mark the largest lead of any of the Democratic candidates in the Register's poll all year, underscoring what has been a hard-fought battle among the three well-organized Iowa frontrunners.



It is also the only recent poll of Iowa caucusgoers showing Obama with a lead larger than the survey's margin of sampling error, which is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

The telephone survey of 800 likely Democratic caucusgoers was taken Dec. 27-30.

In an indication of the Obama's appeal in Iowa, Democratic caucusgoers say they prefer change and unity over other leadership characteristics. Selecting a candidate who represents a sharp departure from the status quo is 56-year-old Lansing Democrat John Rethwisch's priority, and his main reason for backing Obama.

"I have been seeing more and more something Kennedy-esque coming from Obama," said Rethwisch, Lansing's water and sewer administrator. "But it's always a gamble when you get somebody in there who hasn't got a proven track record."

Thirty percent of the poll's respondents said a candidate's ability to bring about change is the most important, followed by 27 percent who said their priority is choosing a candidate who will be the most successful in unifying the country.

Asked which candidate would do the best on these themes, caucusgoers most commonly name Obama. The first-term U.S. senator has argued in the closing weeks of the campaign that his newness to Washington, D.C., would help him bridge a politically divided nation and improve its standing overseas.

Having the experience and competence to lead, which has been the crux of Clinton's closing argument, was seen as the most important to 18 percent of caucusgoers, with Clinton as the candidate most commonly rated best on this trait.

The candidates routinely argue they are the best able to win in November, although only 6 percent of the poll's respondents identified being best able to win the general election as the top priority.

Rethwisch is also part of the majority of caucusgoers who plan to attend their first caucus Thursday. Sixty percent would be attending for the first time, reflecting the emphasis the campaigns have put on expanding the pool of participants.

All of the three leaders in Iowa draw a majority of support from new caucusgoers, although Obama benefits the most with 72 percent of his support coming from first-timers compared to 58 percent of Clinton's and 55 percent of Edwards'supporters.

Longtime Democrat Darlene Inman, 72, is a first-time caucusgoer who supports Clinton. The Mason City retired homemaker represents the heart of Clinton's support base, older women who are registered Democrats.

"She talks straight about helping everybody. She tells it like it is," Inman said.

Inman said she first motivated to participate in the caucuses because of dissatisfaction with President Bush. But she said she hesitated to back Clinton until she settled on her as the most qualified, in part because of her association former President Clinton.

"I was kind of doubtful, but then I stopped and thought that when Bill Clinton was president, jobs were plentiful and the country was running well," Inman said. "With Bush in there, it's been very worrisome and I think she can get in there and turn it around."

Clinton has made an aggressive effort to court female, first-time caucusgoers, especially younger women and those who are retired. Women account for 58 percent of caucusgoers, according to the survey.

Clinton has rebounded among female caucusgoers in general, pulling even with Obama at 32 percent after losing her edge among this key group to him in the previous Register poll.

Clinton receives more support from women 55 years old and older than her rivals, and she and Obama draw evenly from the pool of female caucusgoers between 35 and 54 years old.



However, she trails Obama badly among women under 35, with just 15 percent to his 57 percent.

Obama's advantage among younger women reflects his decided advantage among younger voters in general. A majority of caucusgoers under 35 support Obama, more than three times the support Edwards receives from them and five times Clinton's.

Caucusgoers under the age of 35 represent 17 percent of likely attendees, higher than any Register poll this year but lower than any other age group.

Clinton led narrowly in the Register's October poll, but slipped in the survey taken in late November. During that period Obama and Edwards sharpened their criticism of Clinton, who has led in national polls of Democratic preference. Likewise, Clinton went on the attack in November, questioning Obama's experience and characterizing his health care proposal as less than comprehensive.

Clinton remains the favorite of the party faithful, with support from a third of self-described Democrats. However, Obama is the clear choice of caucusgoers who affiliate with neither the Democrat or Republican parties, with roughly 40 percent of them backing him in the survey.

The support from non-Democrats is significant because a whopping 40 percent of those planning to attend described themselves as independent and another 5 percent as Republican. Only registered Democrats can participate in the caucuses, although rules allow participants to change their party registration on their way in to the caucuses.

Edwards' support has changed little since the last poll, when he was the choice of 23 percent of likely caucusgoers. He led the Register's May poll with 29 percent.

He remained the choice of older men and drew evenly with Clinton from caucusgoers 55 and older.

One such Democrat, 84-year-old Ruth Paulsen of Milford, said Edwards' charisma and message of economic fairness appeals to her.

"I like the way he speaks, with energy and enthusiasm," said Paulsen. "The others are all right, but I like Edwards because he talks the most about change."

Despite aggressive campaigns in Iowa by Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, none has been able to break into the pack at the top. In fact, support for Biden and Richardson slipped somewhat in the new poll.

An analysis of likely caucusgoers' second choices showed that the results would change little if the votes for the lower-rated candidates were redistributed among the front-runners.
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Thomas
 
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Tue 1 Jan, 2008 01:46 am
Hi Sozobe --

I'm just returning from a New Year's dinner with Diva and TsarStepan (whom some of our correspondents may remember from Abuzz). She told me to say high to everyone, but specifically asks me to inform you she'll hold you personally responsible for delivering Ohio to the Democrats this year.

No pressure.

Happy new year!
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 1 Jan, 2008 11:04 am
Hi there Diva and Tsar too!

I already held myself personally responsible in 2004 and that didn't go very well... I'll try my very best though!
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 1 Jan, 2008 11:54 am
I only hold myself responsible to vote at every election; it doesn't guarantee anything beyond that.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:30 pm
Breaking news! Kucinich asks his Iowa supporters to caucus for Obama in the second round, should he not make the 15% threshhold on the first round.



Quote:
From Dennis Kucinich to My Iowa Supporters
As you know, I have consistently led efforts to take America in a new direction, both here at home and abroad. No one else running for President stands for a not-for-profit health care system and the cancellation of NAFTA. I am calling for a new American manufacturing policy, where the maintenance of steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping are deemed vital to our national economic security. I am calling for a new WPA, rebuilding America's roads, bridges, water systems, sewer systems, mass transit systems, hospitals, universities, libraries and more. I am calling for a WGA, a Works Green Administration creating millions of new jobs designing, engineering, manufacturing, installing and maintaining millions of wind and solar micro-technologies in tens of millions of American homes, businesses and industries. Government can and will become an engine of sustainability under the Kucinich Administration. We can achieve real prosperity, prime the pump of the economy with new j obs and new energy technologies, move away from reliance on oil, coal and nuclear and protect our global climate. No more global warming or global warring because I will bring an end to war as an instrument of policy.
I am the only Democrat running who voted against the war, voted consistently against funding the war, and voted against the Patriot Act. I have a plan to get out of Iraq, rebuild diplomatic relations with Iran and Syria and create peace in the Middle East. I have met with many of the leaders of the region. In our international relations that affect immigration, no one else is willing to say that our immigration policies have created a type of slave labor in America, where economic refugees from NAFTA fled north of the border.
I will break up the monopolies in Agriculture, and reintroduce the concept of parity, making sure family farmers can get a fair price, get their product to market and connect with community markets. We need to help farmers pro tect their water supplies and have access to energy.
You know and I know that if we want to create the world we want, we must vote courageously. A courageous vote is the only vote worth casting.

Please caucus for me as your first choice on Thursday with enthusiasm, as an indication of your strong commitment to the principled politics on which this campaign is based.

If for some reason I do not make the 15% threshold in caucuses, I ask you to cast your second round ballot for Senator Barack Obama.


Move into this election process with great courage. Democracy is a grassroots movement, claim it!

Dennis
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:32 pm
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/01/542614.aspx

Quote:
Kucinich urges supporters to back Obama...
Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:58 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Kucinich, Obama
From NBC's Mark Murray and Lauren Appelbaum
...if he doesn't meet the 15% threshold in Thursday's Iowa caucuses. Kucinich made a similar endorsement of Edwards back in 2004, and that (among many other things) helped Edwards finish second in Iowa that year. "This is obviously an 'Iowa-only' recommendation, as Sen. Obama and I are competing in the New Hampshire primary next Tuesday where I want to be the first choice of New Hampshire voters," Kucinich said in a statement."

"I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change."

*** UPDATE *** Just several minutes before we received this statement, NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan received this one from Obama's New Hampshire spokesman: "The voters of New Hampshire deserve to hear all the Democratic candidates' views on who can best lead America in a fundamentally new direction, and that's why I urge these networks to allow full participation in this week's debate." As it has been reported, Kucinich -- due to ABC's requirements of either finishing in the top four in Iowa or receiving 5% in NH and national polls -- will likely be excluded from this weekend's New Hampshire debate.

*** UPDATE II *** And now Obama has issued this statement: "I have a lot of respect for Congressman Kucinich, and I'm honored that he has done this because we both believe deeply in the need for fundamental change."

More: "He and I have been fighting for a number of the same priorities -- including an end to the war in Iraq that we both opposed from the start, reforming Washington and creating a better life for America's working families. I encourage all Iowans to take part in the caucuses this Thursday - not because it will be good for any one candidate, but because it will be good for our party and the future of our country."
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