nimh
 
  1  
Fri 16 Nov, 2007 11:11 pm
Lola wrote:
okie wrote:
Theres your man shining with genius, dys. Brag it up. ha ha ha ha ha ha. How about illegal martians?


When asked if he'd seen a UFO, Kucinnich clarified that he had seen an object that could not be identified. That is what a UFO actually is. He said nothing about martians.

This is an example of political tricks that piss me off. Take what the man said, not what you wish he'd said. How annoying.


Allright, let's take what he apparently said and see if it sounds any better:

Quote:
Perennial marginal presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO, according to, uh, Shirley MacLaine. [..] In an upcoming book, MacLaine reveals that the Ohio congressman's extraterrestrial sighting happened when he was visiting her:

    Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 12:29 am
nimh wrote:
Lola wrote:
okie wrote:
Theres your man shining with genius, dys. Brag it up. ha ha ha ha ha ha. How about illegal martians?


When asked if he'd seen a UFO, Kucinnich clarified that he had seen an object that could not be identified. That is what a UFO actually is. He said nothing about martians.

This is an example of political tricks that piss me off. Take what the man said, not what you wish he'd said. How annoying.


Allright, let's take what he apparently said and see if it sounds any better:

Quote:
Perennial marginal presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO, according to, uh, Shirley MacLaine. [..] In an upcoming book, MacLaine reveals that the Ohio congressman's extraterrestrial sighting happened when he was visiting her:

    Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind.


So maybe it was the LSD........but at the debate, he clarified that it was an object that was not identifiable. Maybe to him something not identifiable is awe inspring. To me it's just puzzling. But I'm not a very reverent person.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 12:33 am
okie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Okie wrote:
Again, I could be wrong,

Say it ain't so, Okie. You're always right and never wrong. Of course you're not paranoid. I got an email from Hillary tonight telling me she staged the question specifically for your benefit and she hopes the $20 it cost her won't be in vain because she is betting that you will take this item and post it everywhere because with your reputation it will make her look more the victim of a vast right -wing conspiracy of wing-nuts.

No, she didn't stage the question, but the question had to be submitted and pre-approved by CNN, and given the ever present possibilities that Clinton handlers might have gotten wind of potential questions from insiders at CNN, nothing would surprise me. I don't see anyone else saying this, but I would love to be an investigative reporter, thats all. It was a staged affair and nothing would surprise me, given the duplicitous relationship between the Clinton campaign and the press. It is an interesting theory that bears further monitoring.

And of course you are never wrong either are you?


Maybe it was just an attempt to leave on a lighter note. I didn't like it.....it seemed silly to me and out of place, but I doubt it was planted by the Clintons. Some one thought it was cute. But I think it fell flat.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 01:52 am
Quote:
Perennial marginal presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO, according to, uh, Shirley MacLaine. [..] In an upcoming book, MacLaine reveals that the Ohio congressman's extraterrestrial sighting happened when he was visiting her:


It does sound like he and ole Shirley were having a good time though.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 02:04 am
Lola wrote:
So maybe it was the LSD.

Actually, I think it was God, telling him he wants to be the nominee. (God also wants Ron Paul to be the Republican challenger.)
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 03:41 am
Sounds like it is way past time that the whole presidential debate process went back to the League of Women voters.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 06:43 am
spendius wrote:
Bernie quoted-

Quote:
This is a ridiculously immature manner in which to conduct an alleged debate on the nation's future


Horses for courses Bernie. Have you forgotten turf wisdom.


I don't know much about it. A few important bits, I suppose: after a rain, relax your grip on the irons; playing infield, get closer to the bounce and ignore the mud that will splash in your face now that you are more proximate to the impact point; a proper mix of weed killer and fertilizer will leave you off lawn-mowing duties for a good month; and it's not really that important if your sister is being ravished by a Puerto Rican.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 06:45 am
au1929 wrote:
sozobe
The boos were in response to the attack mode of Edwards and Obama. Which have been ongoing for months. People want to hear what the candidates have to say about what they intend to do if elected. Not to listen to attacks against their rivals.


I don't believe that is true. I've watched previous debates and this last one was unique.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:34 am
Butrflynet wrote:
Sounds like it is way past time that the whole presidential debate process went back to the League of Women voters.


Now, there's the smart idea!

In a CNN show I saw yesterday, the show host was interviewing Wolf Blitzer about the debate. She said, "I noticed that people were lining up to get your autograph while the candidates were just talking to each other." Wolf tried to look humble and didn't succeed because the spotlight was shining where it ought to shine, on him.

That's true for almost all of these people. They have million dollar contracts which, if their ratings drop too far, are at risk. They enjoy enormous perks in social status and celebrity, equally at risk if ratings fall. Their job is to be an authoritative and interesting personality who viewers will tune to.

And their bosses, the networks, have ratings as a foremost task so that advertisers will buy time blocks for advertising. To a great extent, this determines format and questions. Serious boat-rocking will be quickly ruled out in order to hew a cliched middle way which hopefully won't bring about negative blowback from unhappy viewers/consumers of advertisers' products.

To be fair, Fox stands somewhat outside this paradigm because its apparent fundamental function isn't turning a profit but rather functioning (along with other News Corp entitites) as a vehicle to facilitate Murdoch's corporate designs. At least two other major media holdings, The Weekly Standard and The New York Post operate at an on-going financial loss.
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spendius
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:07 am
Lola wrote-

Quote:
Quote:
Perennial marginal presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich once saw a UFO, according to, uh, Shirley MacLaine. [..] In an upcoming book, MacLaine reveals that the Ohio congressman's extraterrestrial sighting happened when he was visiting her:


It does sound like he and ole Shirley were having a good time though.


That's ambiguous. By changing the inflections in the voice and the rhythm of expression, rhetorical tricks known most, it could mean one of two things. That he was actually having a good time and an "extraterrestrial sighting" is a phenomenum Lola is hinting at having experienced herself though she understands that those who still await this zenith may think that it is seeing something in the sky going "zooooooom" which leads them to conclude that Mr Kucinich is a deluded freak whereas the former interpretation suggests he's pretty damn good and can be trusted with the nation's destiny.

Get out of that. I feel sure viewers will be interested to have confirmation one way or the other. Is the sarcastic rhetoric the one?

A version of what Bfn said.

Quote:
Sounds like it is way past time that the whole presidential debate process went back to the League of Women voters.


That's just at one remove.

Have you no riverboat gamblers left who can roll a stogie with one hand and spit a rattlesnake backwards whilst sparking the match on the fingernails.
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 12:26 pm
Lola wrote:

So maybe it was the LSD........but at the debate, he clarified that it was an object that was not identifiable. Maybe to him something not identifiable is awe inspring. To me it's just puzzling. But I'm not a very reverent person.

Maybe he was still on it during the debate when he said there is no such thing as an illegal human being? I don't recall anyone ever saying there was, so that was a weird comment for sure.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 04:55 pm
The debate will be re-played tonight at 10 PM EST on CNN..
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blatham
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 06:22 pm
okie wrote:
Lola wrote:

So maybe it was the LSD........but at the debate, he clarified that it was an object that was not identifiable. Maybe to him something not identifiable is awe inspring. To me it's just puzzling. But I'm not a very reverent person.

Maybe he was still on it during the debate when he said there is no such thing as an illegal human being? I don't recall anyone ever saying there was, so that was a weird comment for sure.


You really don't get this?

He is forwarding his notion that our prime consideration ought to be the well-being of the individual, and not necessarily the law because that law might be unjust or immoral or cruel.

Consider that Judea two thousand years ago may well have had a law prohibiting contact with lepers (fear of contagion). Would Jesus have abided with that law merely because it was the law? Might he have said, "I don't see lepers" or "To me, there are no lepers"?
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:12 pm
You obviously don't get it, blatham. What do lepers have to do with it? Don't get me wrong, I do understand exactly what you are insinuating, but sadly it has nothing to do with the point, and what you are insinuating is nothing but nonsense. You have missed the point altogether.
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:24 pm
Interesting development between Obama and Hillary, in regard to the Novak column.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/11/17/hillary_vs_obama

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312063,00.html

I think Obama has about had it with Hillary, and from his response, I think he tends to believe that the Clinton campaign is involved with digging up dirt on him. He may know alot of things that not everyone knows, if you read between the lines of what he said. I think he is pretty edgy right now and somewhat fed up with the Clintons. This from the Fox story:

"But in the interest of our party, and her own reputation, Sen. Clinton should either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none. She of all people, having complained so often about the politics of personal destruction, should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics."
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nimh
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:46 pm
Quote:
Obama says he has no Illinois records

Obama, Who Rapped Clinton on Records, Says He Has None From His Illinois State Senate Days

AP News
Nov 14, 2007 17:16 EST

Barack Obama, who's been scolding Hillary Rodham Clinton for not hastening the release of records from her time as first lady, says he can't step up and produce his own records from his days in the Illinois state Senate. He says he hasn't got any.

"I don't have ?- I don't maintain ?- a file of eight years of work in the state Senate because I didn't have the resources available to maintain those kinds of records," he said at a recent campaign stop in Iowa. He said he wasn't sure where any cache of records might have gone, adding, "It could have been thrown out. I haven't been in the state Senate now for quite some time."

Obama's statement that he has no papers from his time in the Illinois statehouse ?- he left in 2004 ?- stands in stark contrast to the massive Clinton file stored at the National Archives: an estimated 78 million pages of documents, plus 20 million e-mail messages, packed into 36,000 boxes. [..]

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said Wednesday that "Obama has a track record of leading the way on reform and disclosure," adding that "correspondence with state agencies and records of requests Obama made to them on behalf of his constituents are available to the public [..]."

Pressed for details, LaBolt said Obama did not keep any correspondence with the general public. Ditto for letters to or from state associations and lobbyists, memos on legislation and correspondence with Illinois state agencies. The campaign said Illinois agencies have copies of his requests for information or help, but accessing those records would involve contacting the agencies and asking them to comb though eight years of records to find correspondence from Obama.


Hmm. Good for him for not possessing the kind of vanity that makes other politicians keep everything ever written by, for or about them, but -- not keeping any of his correspondence with the general public, state associations and agencies, and lobbyists? How's discarding all correspondence you've had with lobbyists line up with a "track record of leading the way on reform and disclosure," or with attacking other contenders who did keep an archive, for not opening it?
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nimh
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:50 pm
okie wrote:
Interesting development between Obama and Hillary, in regard to the Novak column.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/11/17/hillary_vs_obama

I clicked on that link and was confronted with this advertisement:

http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/creative/Townhall-Polina-158x265.jpg

Lord, the stupidity we're dealing with.
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okie
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 07:57 pm
nimh wrote:

Lord, the stupidity we're dealing with.

Yes, and you might overcome it if you would read the article.
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nimh
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:03 pm
okie wrote:
I think Obama has about had it with Hillary, and from his response, I think he tends to believe that the Clinton campaign is involved with digging up dirt on him. He may know alot of things that not everyone knows, if you read between the lines of what he said. I think he is pretty edgy right now and somewhat fed up with the Clintons. This from the Fox story:

"But in the interest of our party, and her own reputation, Sen. Clinton should either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none. She of all people, having complained so often about the politics of personal destruction, should move quickly to either stand by or renounce these tactics."


I think the Hillary camp has got it with its analysis here, as quoted in that article:

    Clinton spokesman Jay Carson said "we have absolutely no idea what [Bob Novak] is talking about. ... We have no contact with Bob Novak; we have no idea what this column is based on." Asked if the campaign had any secret information about Obama, he said, "No. No, we don't." Carson also scolded Obama for "walking right into a Republican trap," after Obama personally challenged Clinton to come forward with any scandalous information she has about him ?- or admit she has nothing. [..] "Bob Novak is a Republican columnist ... a Democratic candidate should be smart enough not to fall into a trap he's set for Democrats to go after each other," he said. "If you don't know how to avoid that in the primary, how are you going to avoid it in the general (election)?"
Right. Novak, an established troublemaker who's not beyond just making **** up, comes up with some BS story that, as Obama himself notes, was "devoid of facts", and what does Obama do? He could have gone, look it, there is no scandal material, "and I'm sure my Democratic competitor Hillary Clinton knows that too; we will not be played as Democrats by this kind of ****-stirring nonsense and gossip from the conservative media." That way the Hillary camp would have been dealt an indirect warning, even as Obama would cash in sympathy points from the Democratic electorate for taking on a loathsome conservative pundit like that. Instead, he apparently walks right into the trap and gets furious at Clinton about it. I'm sure Novak is rubbing his hands in glee.
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nimh
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:08 pm
okie wrote:
nimh wrote:

Lord, the stupidity we're dealing with.

Yes, and you might overcome it if you would read the article.

I did read the article - both of them even - but the first thing that confronted me was the glaring stupidity of this t-shirt, and so that was the first thing I commented on too.

I mean, Jesus, imagine what someone who actually suffered under real communism must feel, seeing how the abject dictatorship he's known is trivialised by these bozos into an inane partisan jab. It's just as stupid as a t-shirt showing Giuliani crossed out and saying, "Defeat Fascism!" would be.
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