sozobe
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:28 am
Roger Cohen makes a similar point in today's NYT (I'm so glad I can just link to this stuff now!):

Excerpt:

Quote:
American exceptionalism, as practiced by Bush, has created a longing for new American engagement.

Renewal is about policy; it's also about symbolism. Which brings us to Barack Hussein Obama, the Democratic candidate with a Kenyan father, a Kansan mother, an Indonesian stepfather, a childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia and impressionable experience of the Muslim world.

If the globe can't vote next November, it can find itself in Obama. Troubled by the violent chasm between the West and the Islamic world? Obama seems to bridge it. Disturbed by the gulf between rich and poor that globalization spurs? Obama, the African-American, gets it: the South Side of Chicago is the South Side of the world.

Michael Ignatieff, the deputy leader of Canada's opposition Liberal Party, said: "Outsiders know it's your choice. Still, they are following this election with passionate interest. And it's clear Barack Obama would be the first globalized American leader, the first leader in whom internationalism would not be a credo, it would be in his veins."
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sozobe
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:29 am
Forgot the link tho:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/opinion/15cohen.html
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joefromchicago
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:41 am
I don't know if it's on the newsstands yet, but the December issue of The Atlantic has a cover story by Andrew Sullivan on "Why Obama Matters" that is a big, wet, sloppy, open-mouthed kiss to Barack Obama. Check it out.
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Thomas
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:47 am
sozobe wrote:
- Soccer moms. Do I include myself in that category? Probably. From early 30's to late 40's, in groups of 2 or 3, with husbands, or alone. It was probably the largest group of singles (as in, people who didn't come in a group). Maybe their kids were in school and their husbands were working. (True in my case.) Maybe 75% white and 25% black, I didn't notice other nationalities, maybe some Latinas.

That sounds a lot like the Oprah crowd. Very Happy

I have nothing intelligent to say about the other groups, except that it's nice there are so many of them.
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nimh
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:57 am
joefromchicago wrote:
I don't know if it's on the newsstands yet, but the December issue of The Atlantic has a cover story by Andrew Sullivan on "Why Obama Matters" that is a big, wet, sloppy, open-mouthed kiss to Barack Obama. Check it out.


I enjoy reading Andrew Sullivan, but you dont need to scratch much of the centrist veneer to find a libertarian like Thomas.


Andrew Sullivan wrote:
A liberal boomer vents:

    "Barack Obama, please realize that you are assisting the right's efforts to get rid of Social Security."
In my dreams.
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Thomas
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 10:03 am
nimh wrote:
I enjoy reading Andrew Sullivan, but you dont need to scratch much of the centrist veneer to find a libertarian like Thomas.

Ahem. I'll just assume this "but" was a typo and what you really meant was "so".
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sozobe
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 10:07 am
Thomas wrote:
That sounds a lot like the Oprah crowd. Very Happy


Duh! Yes, I bet that's exactly what a lot of them were. When you say that and I overlay it on my memories of them it becomes more obvious. Total Oprah-audience demographic.

Yeah, Joe, the Op-Ed above referred to the Andrew Sullivan piece, I haven't seen it yet though I don't think. (I've been reading WAY too much political stuff lately, it's all kind of bleeding into each other...)
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 11:48 am
Article covering the multiple stops in the SF Bay Area yesterday:


http://www.sacbee.com/111/v-print/story/492991.html

Quote:

Obama stirs up S.F. crowd
The Sacramento Bee | November 15, 2007
By Peter Hecht

SAN FRANCISCO â€" Before more than 5,000 people in a raucous, late-night rally, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a passionate call Wednesday to end the war in Iraq, stop the U.S. practice of torture and advance racial equality and gay rights in America.

Introduced by author Alice Walker as a man who will bring "compassion and decent leadership" to the world, Obama said that as president he would enact policies to reverse the course of "a nation at war" and "a planet in peril."

To thunderous cheers, he evoked the late Martin Luther King Jr.'s cry of "the fierce urgency of now," saying: "As president I will end the war in Iraq. I will bring the troops home. They will be home in 16 months. ... America, San Francisco. Our moment is now. You can't wait any longer. Our moment to bring about change is now."

The rally followed a town hall meeting before some 1,500 people at Google headquarters in Mountain View. There, Obama called for suspending military aid to Pakistan until the U.S. ally in the war on terror ends its state of emergency and embraces a return to democratic rule. Meanwhile, he said as president he would create a high-tech agenda to bring openness and transparency to American democracy after seven years of "one of the most secretive administrations in our history."

Meanwhile, he called for internal diplomacy in Iraq and regional diplomacy to end the conflict there and stop neighboring Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. He charged that the Bush administration's stance that "not talking to leaders we don't like makes us look tough is fundamentally wrong."

He criticized Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf for suspending civil liberties and jailing political foes, calling it a mistake to "latch onto authoritarian, non-democratic rule" in the belief that it can combat "Islamic extremism."

The Illinois senator's appearance followed previous Google town halls for New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Arizona Sen. John McCain. The Illinois senator said he would appoint a "chief technology officer" to open up America's government by giving citizens heightened access to information.

With stern criticism of President Bush, Obama called for creating "a 21st century standard" that would give average citizens "real-time" access to seek information and question governmental officials.

Obama appeared later Wednesday at an upscale fundraiser at the Menlo Park home of former eBay executive and 2006 gubernatorial candidate Steve Westly. The 300 guests included actress Michelle Pfeiffer and former 49ers football star Ronnie Lott.

Later, thousands crowded into the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium for a rally costing $15 to $30 a person. The event drew a bus full of Obama supporters from Sacramento, including local organizer Dustin Schwindt. "Some people are excited because he is a popular figure," Schwindt said. "But more and more I notice he's backing up that image with substance."

Obama's campaign swing came on the eve of today's Democratic candidates' debate in Las Vegas. It also followed his campaign's release Tuesday night of a pointed strategy memo, in which campaign manager David Plouffe openly questioned whether two other top Democrats â€" Clinton and Edwards â€" were too divisive to get elected.

Plouffe argued Obama is gaining strength "at Sen. Clinton's expense" as voters tune into the Democratic race in early primary states of Iowa and New Hampshire. "Clinton is likely to unite the GOP against her candidacy as well as her presidency," he wrote.

Clinton's California campaign spokesman Luis Vizcaino answered back: "Perhaps if the Obama campaign spent more time explaining what he would do as president than attacking fellow Democrats, his campaign will be doing a bit better in the polls," he said.



Article previewing Obama proposed Technology Plans. This I like a lot.

http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_7457779?nclick_check=1

Quote:
Obama shares his tech plan today in valley visit
The San Jose Mercury News | November 14, 2007
By Matt Marshall

Barack Obama will unveil several new technology policy initiatives today during a visit to Silicon Valley, including a proposal for a national technology czar called a "chief technology officer," VentureBeat has learned.

The Democratic presidential candidate comes to California seeking to bolster his standings here, where he currently trails front-runner Hillary Clinton in most opinion polls.

Obama's tech agenda, including the CTO proposal, should play well with the employees at Google, the Mountain View search engine, where Obama will visit this afternoon, among other stops.

The CTO's mandate under the plan is significantly different from the cybersecurity czar position created by the Bush administration. The CTO's main responsibility would be to ensure the government holds open meetings and records live Webcasts of those meetings, and that blogging software, wikis (Web site pages where multiple people can edit a document at the same time) and open comments be used to communicate policies with Americans.

Obama's technology plan covers everything from providing new subsidies for Internet broadband access to increasing permanent visas for skilled immigrants.

His campaign has long stressed the need for open government meetings and more transparency. But his plan reveals more specifics. He wants Cabinet officials, government executives and rule-making agencies to hold meetings open to the public and transmitted with a live feed. The
CTO's mandate will be to ensure this happens, according to Obama's campaign managers, who spoke with VentureBeat.

Specifically, Obama wants the public to be able to comment on the White House Web site for five days before legislation is signed.

Several well-known local figures are expected to announce their support for Obama's plan, including two former FCC chairmen under President Clinton: Stanford University legal expert Larry Lessig and John Roos, chief executive of Palo Alto law firm Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati.

Roos, one of Obama's top fundraisers, said Silicon Valley start-ups will be encouraged by Obama's call this month for a clean technology venture capital fund backed by a whopping $50 billion in federal money over five years.

In the plan, Obama also calls for more aggressive government support of broadband access. Specifically, he says subsidies for phone carriers should be given only to those offering both regular phone service and Internet broadband to rural areas. To date, carriers offering merely phone service have been able to claim subsidies from the so-called Universal Service Fund, giving them little incentive to roll out out broadband.

Obama also calls for reviewing the decision by the Federal Communications Commission to open the wireless spectrum for competition. He thinks the FCC may not have gone far enough with its recent ruling, according to campaign managers who asked not to be named. He wants to conduct a multiyear review but is leaning toward pushing for the opening of some spectrum on the 700 MHz band so third parties can lease it on a wholesale basis.

This is to ensure that the winners of a pending auction for the spectrum - expected to be large phone carriers like Verizon - don't just sit on the spectrum and not use it. Some fear they may do that to block others from competing with them.

Obama's proposals are supported by Google, which is expected to bid on the wireless spectrum.

The candidate also is in favor of network neutrality, a policy that would prevent Internet service providers from charging companies like Google extra to ensure the speedy transfer of data over the Internet.



Here's a link to the pdf file with the full text of his plan.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/InnovationTechnology.pdf
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sozobe
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:07 pm
Did you go see him, Butrflynet?

Here's the Andrew Sullivan article btw:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama

(On my way out the door now, looking forward to reading it though.)
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:19 pm
Nope. I've been to a couple of his rallies in the Bay Area. Couldn't afford the gas/ticket price/parking this time. That's close to a 200 mile round trip from where I am.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:22 pm
I couldn't make it either - work commitments came up.

damn responsibility

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:23 pm
I think that's the same article I posted back on November 7th. Since it got buried in the Hillary discussion with Okie, thanks for reposting it.
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snood
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:30 pm
Just watched the debate. Prouder than ever of Obama. Think I've got a clearer idea of just what it is that bothers me about some of the criticism I've heard and read about Obama.

Here is a black presidential candidate who is an expert on constitutional law, who got into politics from the get-go out of a desire to do the most good for the most people (and demonstrated this tendency by eschewing more lucrative law firms for community activist roles), who is a foreign policy wonk who obviously does his homework, who likes to provide specific answers including decimal points to energy policy questions and specific answers to healthcare questions including the numbers of people affected by tax policies...

Here is a thoughtful, charismatic man who can say "I made a mistake" and change course...

And what is the gist of a lot of the criticism? He isn't entertaining enough. He says "uh", or "er" in between thoughts. For the life of me, you'd think some people want him to be like Jesse Jackson and speak in rhymes. He isn't fired up enough. He isn't a hard enough fighter. Do they want a president or a goddam cheerleader?

The bar I've seen set for Obama is cartoonishly high, IMO.

And I hope like hell enough people have the scales off of their eyes that he wins Iowa. I doubt it, but I'm "keeping hope alive".
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blatham
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:54 pm
hi snood

I love the guy. But my sense of the 'disappointment' of his performance in the debates is because that is set in contrast with his performance when he is delivering a speech. In that latter situation, he is truly magnificent.
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snood
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 09:59 pm
Yeah, comparing him to his own absolute best moments, I guess he's bound to disappoint.
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blatham
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 10:09 pm
Not so much best moments as best situation for interaction/communication with a crowd of citizens. Remember his first national speech at the convention and what a stir it caused. Because it was extraordinary. But in debates, he isn't extraordinary in that same way or to that same degree. I think that is just the fact of it.

Of course, the skill at debating doesn't tell us much about how he would be as a president. But that's true as regards speech-making too. And I think he'd be a very good president.
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snood
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 10:10 pm
yeh. me too.
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okie
 
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Fri 16 Nov, 2007 01:54 am
snood wrote:
Just watched the debate. Prouder than ever of Obama. Think I've got a clearer idea of just what it is that bothers me about some of the criticism I've heard and read about Obama.
...


Clearly superior to Hillary in explaining his position, even if one does not agree with it. For example, Obama stabbed her through the heart when he pointed out that raising the Social Security deduction on income above 90,000 would affect only 6% of the population, clearly not exactly the middle class as Hillary had just claimed. She had no answer, but fumbled around with a few dis-jointed statements that clarified nothing more.

And throughout the debate, was it only me that noticed looks of disbelief and skepticism at times when Hillary spoke, along with occasional slight rolling of their eyes by some or most of her opponents. If it wasn't rolling of the eyes, it was at least a blurring of the eyes or a slight wincing.

It seems like her wheels are beginning to come off, but I would have thought it would have happened years ago, so I admit I don't know, it defies any prediction.

P.S. To judge the whole thing, it was a colossol flop, stacked in favor of Clinton, and most of the candidates came off as a bunch of amateurs or high schoolers. And I for one am tired of watching Hillary wave her hands or make intricate shapes with her hands while explaining the most pointless of points. No inspiration whatsoever. Help us all if she is ever elected.
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Ethel2
 
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Fri 16 Nov, 2007 02:19 am
Once again I thought some of the commentators were unfair. But this time I thought it was Obama they were being unfair about. They said he wasn't "ready" for the driver's license question and that he did the same as Hillary last debate. He did do exactly as Hillary had done, but I didn't think it was not answering any more than I thought it was for Hillary. He gave a complete answer. I thought he took the opportuntiy to give his opinion about the immigration question. It's not about driver's license, it's about immigration and what should be done about it.

It was interesting that most of the candidates didn't answer the question either "yes" or "no" this time. Only Hillary and Biden did that. The very ones who have been accusing Hillary of "flip flooping" for the past two weeks were trying to explain their answers this time. What goes around..........I suppose.

I did think Hillary did very well. I was proud of her. She's inspiring to me. And she's inspiring to many. And yes, oakie, I think it's just you. I observed people applauding when she came onto the stage and all through the debate. She got the biggest applause. It was certainly a pro Hillary crowd. So she's apparently inspiring to many in Las Vegas as well. We'll see the new polls soon and see how it affected others.

I like Obama very much as well. And I think he'd make a fine president. At first I was annoyed when people said he was too young. But he doesn't show as well in the debates as he does in a speech where he shines.

Interesting debate.
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au1929
 
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Fri 16 Nov, 2007 08:21 am
I thought it was telling when the crowd let both Edwards {the sleazy lawyer] and Barack how the felt when they started to sling mud at Hillary. That took the wind out of their sails. Obama makes a great speech but his performance in these debates where he has no control over the content leaves much to be desired.
As for Edwards Boo!
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