Butrflynet
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 12:56 pm
Glad you had a good time, Soz, and the opportunity to speak with the Senator. I'll be looking for photos from the event to see if we can spot you in the crowd. Meanwhile:

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sozobe
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 02:43 pm
I wasn't, like, blubbering, just a little verklempt. I'm a girl, I'm allowed.

Yeah, forgot to mention the Coleman endorsement. That's big!

The crowd size was somewhat disappointing, though. Big, but he was talking about crowds of 10,000, 25,000 -- this was officially 2,000, which surprises me a little bit (I would have guessed less, but it's possible I guess). I know that Hillary has a big lead here. I think that if Obama does get the nomination, though, he could win here.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 03:23 pm
This is a downer, but I have to say I agree with a lot of what is being said in this blog:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/cscs/2007/oct/26/how_obama_lost_me_and_the_presidency

This part especially:

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From his speech [2004 convention], we can see it's always been Obama's intention to transcend the political divide. For me, though, that wasn't his appeal. In today's media environment, one's opponent in a political campaign isn't the other candidates up on the debate floor -- it's the media itself. And Obama had an appeal in the eyes of journalists that is rarely found in a politician. Entertainers, sports figures -- those are the usual media darlings in this country. But Obama had that something.

And he certainly needed it. Because he would need his strength as a mediated personality to buffer him from his main structural disadvantage in the 2008 race: Bill Clinton.

See, the thing is, Hillary Clinton has got a built-in advantage over everyone -- any candidate who gets the Democratic nomination in 2008 is going to need the support of our country's most popular Democratic figure. That's her hubby, Bill. So to the extent that primary campaigns are about drawing distinctions, Hillary's opponents can only go so far. Piss off Bill, and good luck getting him to campaign for you in 2008.

Maybe not fair, but that's the Clinton Advantage.

So Barack Obama needed every bit of his media profile to take on Clinton in this campaign. But, the strangest thing happened. Turns out, Hillary's actually not like her caricature. She's often used humor -- her latest joke about getting attention from all the other men running for office is a great example -- to turn around her image. And, it turns out, the media seem to love her. Sure, we've had to deal with the "cackle" weekend, but that's come and gone, and hasn't seemed to change the dynamics of the race.

The other strange thing is, Obama, it turns out, isn't all that much of a media darling. Maybe the sound-bite, show-of-hands "debate" format doesn't suit him. Maybe he's not saying anything new, or exciting. Maybe he's turned out to be too risk-averse, pulling punches instead of letting it all hang out. Maybe it's just that Hillary is too busy capturing the attention of political journalists, and Obama's been relegated to the second tier.

As I said, the opponent here is the news media, and it seems to have, at least in part, contributed to his undoing.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 03:27 pm
To summarize/ paraphrase, the main thing I agreed with is that Obama seemed to demonstrate a "something" in that speech, and the "something" was more about charisma than about hope et al. And that, for whatever reason, that "something" isn't really coming through in the campaign. In bits and pieces, yes, but not consistently, and not at the wattage it needs to be to counteract the juggernaut that is Hillary.
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Butrflynet
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 03:50 pm
I don't have anything to point to, but I get the feeling his supporters are holding their collective breaths to see what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire. I think Obama may take Iowa and Hillary is already conceding it to him by stating her focus has moved on to the Super Tuesday group on Feb. 5.

Beyond that...not sure. I don't have anyone else I am willing to give my time, money or vote to at this moment. I don't think Hillary will win if she ends up being the nominee.

Obama's campaign hasn't been managed as well as it should have been. It took several big stumbles during the summer that they haven't yet recovered from.

He's still the best hope this country has to turn around the inevitable future it is heading towards and I'm going to go down fighting for him til the end.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 03:58 pm
Conceding? Whoa. That would reverse my disappointment fast, if Obama takes Iowa. I've long thought that there is a sizable contingent that would be interested in supporting him if they thought he had a chance, but they don't think they have a chance -- there was a recent article in the NYT that supported that with quotes. (By the way I saw the woman who was featured in a video that went with that article, an Obama campaign worker, today.)

I still think that Obama can be a great president, and would definitely be thrilled if he gains some momentum.
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blatham
 
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Fri 26 Oct, 2007 09:59 pm
soz

Last week, for the first time, I watched "The Color Purple". I needed two hankies. I'm a guy. We are both allowed.

The media want a 'horse race'. That in itself excites all the pundits and relieves 'news' reporting of the need to do much in the way of wonk stuff (which they may or may not like themselves but which most viewers probably don't want). Election as football game. Polls are more important (to this sort of coverage) than policy positions so the leaders in the polls get the lion's share of attention/coverage. Initially, he was something of a darling to them and he was up there on the screen a lot. But I'll wager that number of minutes of coverage of Obama has decreased in tandem with his dropping in the polls.

I don't know if I can recall a campaign that's been run as equisitely as Hillary's has been run. But I think that the media's general affection for Bill (and the population's too) has given her campaign a real boost.

So it seems to me that there's some real bad luck for Obama merely because he's running right now in the face of those factors. His campaign hasn't so far been able to really compete.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 27 Oct, 2007 05:22 pm
Obama is finally getting the message and is turning the page... Hope it isn't too late...




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sozobe
 
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Sat 27 Oct, 2007 05:41 pm
I did it!

soz(delusionsofgrandeur)obe

(lookit that timing though, huh? ;-))
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snood
 
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Sat 27 Oct, 2007 05:44 pm
Cool

pretty cool, Soz.

Hey, we can't prove your exhortation wasn't the tipping thing, can we?
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Thomas
 
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Sun 28 Oct, 2007 04:58 am
sozobe wrote:
I did it!

soz(delusionsofgrandeur)obe

(lookit that timing though, huh? ;-))

I knew there's a reason why the Evil Genius calls you She Who Must Be Obeyed. Nice job, SheWho!
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Thomas
 
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Sun 28 Oct, 2007 05:20 am
snood wrote:
Hey, we can't prove your exhortation wasn't the tipping thing, can we?

No, but we can prove she did it telepathically as he was approaching Columbus, because he already got tipped on the plane. Look at the end of Butrflynet's article:

The New York Times wrote:
As his chartered plane landed in Columbus and taxied across the tarmac, he leaned forward in his leather captain's chair and finished the interview with an inquiry of his own.

"So," he said, "give me some gossip about the Republicans."

He must have picked up the fierce rehearsals in Sozobe's brain while she stood in line. "'Hi, I'm Sozobe, and I play pickup just like you do.' No, too long. 'Hi, I play pickup too. You gotta go smash her'. Urgh, too brutal..." But who cares how she did it? What matters is that she did it.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 28 Oct, 2007 06:04 am
Dangit.

Close! Very close! (And the closeness may have accounted for the look I got when I said it... would have been nice if he'd responded with "you ain't seen nothing yet!", or something.)


Mostly, I'm thrilled this is happening, and looking forward to what happens next.

And nice to see this:

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In the interview, Mr. Obama acknowledged that he had held back until now, though he asserted it was a calculated decision to introduce himself in early voting states before engaging opponents.


I thought so!
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Thomas
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:45 pm
Aaaand the Obama event management team proudly presents.... yet another stupid message discipline gaffe!

New York Times Online wrote:

Full Article
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sozobe
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 02:54 pm
Yeah, that was what occasioned the blog I linked to a page or two ago... not sure when it first came up, but I started reading about it last week.

Not too happy about it. I get the gospel tour idea, this one guy seems... uh... something. (I did notice that in Obama's speech on Friday he included "gay and lesbian" people in some standard section about the diversity of Americans or something, and went hmmm.)
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Butrflynet
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:24 pm
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572991/20071029/index.jhtml#
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realjohnboy
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 03:32 pm
Obama will be in Charlottesville later this evening for an outdoor rally. I thought I heard it was something like $10 for a ticket, but I may be wrong. I know it is, by design, not much.
Virginia last went for a Democrat candidate in 1964 (Lyndon Johnson).
Charlottesville, though is solidly Dem and Albemarle County (where I live) which surrounds Cville went Dem in the last Gov and Senate races.

I am sure it will be a standard stump speech.
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nimh
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 05:08 pm
Anyone who still believes that Obama's good, it's just his subpar campaign staff thats holding 'em down should consider, as Michael Crowley calls it, this "very useful microcosm [..] on why Obama hasn't soared higher":

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In a meeting hall at the fairground in rural Tipton, Obama was pointedly invited to criticize Clinton recently when a 65-year-old woman asked, "Why should I vote for you instead of Hillary Clinton?"

Instead, he gave a somewhat rambling answer that began by complimenting Clinton as "very capable," "smart" and "tough." He also said she would be a "vast improvement over George Bush." Then he mildly knocked her for what he called her "conventional" views on foreign policy. Five minutes later, he concluded: "If you're still unpersuaded, talk to me afterwards, 'cause I got more stuff for you, but I don't want to use up all my time."
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sozobe
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 06:06 pm
That still seems to fit in with what's been talked about here. That he's been purposely holding back, in a calculated decision to "to introduce himself in early voting states before engaging opponents." You don't give a link, but "recently" could reasonably be before yesterday, when the article about his new direction was published in the NYT, or before Friday, when he gave the interview the article was based on.

We'll see what happens from now on, now that he says he's ready to on the offensive. If he says he will and doesn't, that'll substantially impact my support for him. The MTV/ MySpace thing, while apparently not delivering any stand-out moments, seems to be more forceful than usual.
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nimh
 
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Mon 29 Oct, 2007 06:11 pm
Kevin Drum quotes a NY Times article that notes that "Obama said he would start confronting Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton more forcefully, asserting Friday that she had not been candid in describing her views on critical issues" and that Obama cited "Social Security, Iraq and Iran as issues on which she had not been fully forthcoming." His question:

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This is good, but I have my doubts that trying to be "clear with the American people" on these particular subjects is going to do the trick. [..] We've already seen Obama try to get some mileage out of the rather narrow differences he has with Hillary over Social Security, Iraq and Iran, and there's just no there there. There are differences, but they're too small to build a campaign on.

What Obama needs is a brand new issue. If you've been following British politics for the past couple of months, you have an idea of what I'm talking about here. [..]

Continuing to hammer on the same issues he's been talking about for the past six months, even if he does it more aggressively, isn't likely to gain him more than a few points in the polls, and there's just not enough time left for that to do him any good. Instead, he needs something that comes out of left field and blindsides Hillary. Something small, perhaps (Cameron's inheritance tax proposal wasn't really that big a deal), but with a lot of broad, symbolic appeal. Any ideas?


I'm not sure I buy into the argument here. I dont think Obama needs some magical brand new subject. He needs to hone the story of his real and substantive personal and programmatic pluses into an overarching core argument about why someone should vote for him instead of Hillary Clinton. That means stepping up and assertively explicitizing the differences between him and Hillary.

The one other thing he needs to do is to acknowledge that Democratic voters - especially the ones that arent part of the young, socio-economically confident, highly-educated and/or higher-income sets - just want a tough, competent, strategically skilled politician who'll fight for them. That means he cant choose the postmaterialist note of "transcending partisanism and changing the nature of politics" as his overarching argument, even if that's been the shtick he's been primarily stuck on so far. He needs to get more down to earth.

None of that is impossible, since aside from the "new politics" rhetorics he's also got a substantive progressive program that sets him apart from Hillary. And he's got a lot of personal likability and charisma on top.

However, thats the question Drum asked, and the resulting discussion in the Comments section is interesting, in a random collective brainstorm kind of way. Nothing sensational, but a volume of decent comments that beats what you'll usually have on a2k. More nuanced than my posts - definitely worth a browse-through.

On a more immediate note, however, one comment should be cause for worry:

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I read the NY Times piece on how Obama was going to go on attack, and I saw Obama in action this morning in Iowa. If what I saw is attack mode, we're doomed.

Obama spoke for probably 40 minutes and then took 3 questions (2 from people wearing T-shirts about their issues, and 1 from someone who seemed to be a staffer). It was all very controlled.

Obama mentioned Hillary by name twice. The first time was to reference the dispute about whether you could talk to dictators in your first year in office. The second was to discuss Hillarycare. Obama gave Hillary props for trying, but then critiqued her closed-door approach. He said he'd talk to the people and take out his own TV ads if necessary. That's all.

There was a fair amount of rhetoric about how he'd tell the truth, and how voters should choose a politician they trust, but that's pretty much indistinguishable from other candidates' Iowan stump speeches.

Maybe he's planning on rolling out his sharpened elbows outside of Iowa???

Posted by: Blue in IA on October 27, 2007 at 5:53 PM
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