Obama '08?

sozobe wrote:

Hey, maybe I should start an A2K petition...

Actually, I really might link to this thread in the email!

He has a blog and everything... he MIGHT show up...

Omigodthatwouldbesocool...

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Send it Soz. Then when you come up with something better; send that too. Then when you come up with something almost as good; send that too. How many days in a row did Bud Fox call Gordon Gecko before finding himself face to face with the whale himself? If illustrating your knowledge of campaigns is better than talking about it, surely demonstrating your persistent work ethic is better too.

Ps. [quote="Sozobe") He has a blog and everything... he MIGHT show up...

Shocked

Omigodthatwouldbesocool... [/quote] Laughing

For some reason this reminded me of Butthead thinking he might score... Laughing

Go for it Soz!

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sozobe wrote:

There is, I'm afraid, one person who stands head and shoulders above the rest.

You.

Not to be a nit-picker here, but why did you add the "I'm afraid" part to that sentence? It sounds kind of negative. Why not be glad that there is a person who stands head and shoulders above the rest?

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Front my POV, her "I'm afraid" is spot on. It's a sad testament of our politics that we don't have good choices in selecting our president. We should at least have several good candidates to chose from.

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I like working in the Deaf angle too. Heck, the PR folks might just decide it's wise to speechify: "I've been receiving a lot of emails and letters and among the one's that just reached out and grabbed me. ["Sozobe"] It was a catalyst I just couldn't ignore... so I've decided to..." I can almost hear him saying it now. :wink:

Years from now, no one will believe us when we tell them that we used to shoot the sh!t with this Nation's first Woman President (who happens to be Deaf).

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Front my POV, her "I'm afraid" is spot on. It's a sad testament of our politics that we don't have good choices in selecting our president. We should at least have several good candidates to chose from.

The point, I think, that she is trying to make, is that Obama would be a good candidate... not just the best of the worst, in which case I think it best to express your excitment for him rather than your fear of the other candidates.

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The "I'm afraid" was "since I know you keep saying you aren't running..."

But you're right, that's not clear, can change.

Thomas, yeah, I was kinda going for a from-the-heart tone since he gets plenty of facts, I'm sure.

O'Bill, that's part of why I haven't sent it yet (aside from wanting to fine-tune) -- do I want to send it now? Do I want to send it along with 1,000 signatures? 10,000? With a link to my "Obama '08" website with several million hits and enough notoriety that it gains me an appearance on Oprah (or whatever)?

I think I'm tending towards something closer to what you say -- an initial volley, and then follow-ups. ("Oh man, it's that sozobe person AGAIN...!")

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I see it kind of like voting, Soz. When truly excited by a candidate (like Ross Perot), I too will go out of my way to gather as much support as I can. But the first step is just ticking that name on the ballot. The preponderance is what gets the job done, so every letter, every email, every phone call, etc. has a cumulative affect. I'm not suggesting spam. I'm suggesting every thoughtful letter you write; is one more reason for the man to change his mind. Who knows or can predict which one might trip his trigger? Best way to find out is to send them all. Good Luck!

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sozobe wrote:

Eh?

No.

My last post was responding to you asking what I meant by "I've said a few things since then, nimh." I told you.

<shrug>

Oh.

(See, I can do that thing you do too..)

See, considering the whole "The issue I had with your posts" thing, I was getting that, well, you had an issue with my posts. And I just couldnt figure out what it was, cause the explanation just didnt fairly add up. Hence asking - and eventually, thinking there musta just been something else at play.

But, awright. There was no issue - you were just answering my question. OK, then.

[size=7]whatfckingever...[/size]

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Nimh? You okay?

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This is interesting... on Setanta's "RELEVANCE" thread, I mentioned Jim Wallis, who I've found to be a very important and insightful voice about what the Democrats should be doing to embrace left-leaning Christians. (Or moderate Christians, for that matter.) Was meandering hither and yon seeing what he's up to these days, and found this:

Quote:

The two were asked what they see in the ideal political candidate.

Wallis, who will speak again at 7:30 p.m. Tuesday at St. John Arena on Ohio State University's campus, said he would like to see a person who cares about marriage and family, the sacredness of life and economic and racial justice.

Johnson would like to see candidates who "honor the Lord and try to live by a biblical worldview."

When pressed on who most closely resembles their descriptions, Johnson said it would be Blackwell for him. Wallis said he likes Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/news-story.php?story=175358

That's another big tick in the "go for it" column, for me; that Obama appeals to that demographic. (Christian + moderate/ left-leaning.)

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Ooh, ooh, Soz, send the email!

Send many emails!

Link to this thread so he sees it! I'm so excited! I think you can get him to run.

<biiiiiig grin>

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Running Against the Base - Hillary, Obama, and the Democrats' High-Risk Strategy
04.03.2006 RJ Eskow

Obama's recent endorsement of right-winger Joe Lieberman in the presence of liberal challenger Ned Lamont was a calculated slap.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/running-against-the-base-_b_18374.html

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WOOOOAAAAHH.

Wonder how the fans like him now.

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Barrack Obama could not possibly beat Hillary Clinton in 2008. He could be a contender, however, for Democratic leadership positions in the Senate or maybe her V.P.!

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Barring some strange event, Hilary will be the 2008 Dem candidate.

In the event that something strange happens, Obama will not be the 2008 candidate: He is a too new, and (regrettably) too black for 2008.

I like him, but I need to see a whole lot more of him before I could vote for him for president.

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Hi Finn,

That really seems to be the widely-held assumption, that Hillary will be the candidate. I really, really hope not. Blueflame's blog cite was the first place I saw that Obama is being seriously considered as her VP. I don't know what I think about that; seems unlikely, as they share too many of the same positives as well as the same negatives, plus there have been issues before with a VP nominee vastly out-orating the Presidential nominee (and Hillary is not much of an orator).

For the blog thing, I'm trying to find the source material. This seems to be it?

A Rising Star Visits Hartford

The endorsement itself was rather qualified:

Quote:

"I know that some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's the elephant in the room," Obama said. "And Joe and I don't agree on everything."

"But what I know is that Joe Lieberman is a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America," Obama said. "I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate."

But Obama later mocked Lieberman, most likely inadvertently, when he described Bush as measuring progress in Iraq in terms of the increasing number of cellphones in use there, but ignoring the number of flag-draped coffins arriving at Andrews Air Force Base.

Bush, in fact, had quoted Lieberman who, upon returning from Iraq last fall, had remarked on the number of cellphones he had seen in use.

That last part could be accidental, could not be.

Tried to find anything about the race, whether Lamont is a serious contender:

Quote:

Although a February poll of 345 registered Democrats done by Quinnipiac University showed him [Lieberman] leading Mr. Lamont by 55 percentage points, a lead far beyond the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 5.3 percentage points, Senator Lieberman says he is taking the challenge seriously.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/02/nyregion/02lieberman.html

Both articles said that Lieberman has been Obama's mentor in the Senate. I don't know how that's decided, but it seems like there is some sort of educational relationship there, and that Obama was returning a favor. It doesn't sound like it's likely to actually mean or accomplish much.

So, from the information so far (more information might make me change my mind), it really looks to me like Obama is playing the politics game well, and that's something I want from him. Get political capital while not actually doing anything nefarious -- cool.

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Thanks for digging up the particulars on the "endorsement". Doesn't sound to me at all like he sold his soul quite yet.

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Hiya snood!

One more thing about it:

Quote:

A few minutes later, however, the audience was riveted as Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, the guest speaker at the $175-a-plate dinner, stood on the podium and began the customary round of recognition of candidates and incumbents in the room. When he got to Mr. Lieberman, who is his mentor in the Senate and who helped recruit him to speak at the event, the applause again was muted.

(That's from the NYT article linked to above.)

Just a bit more context, about the general Democratic fundraising aspect to it (it was "the state Democrats' annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey fund-raising dinner,") which included Lieberman but wasn't limited to him.

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You doing good work with this thread, Soz, i keep my eye on it, and appreciate your effort.

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