nimh
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 12:43 pm
Thomas wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Meanwhile, Illinois State Senator Kirk Dillard's (Republican, and until April chairman of the DuPage County GOP, one of the party's strongest political organizations in the state) is featured prominently in a new television ad praising Senator Barack Obama ...

Link please?

Plenty of links about that ad if you paste <Kirk Dillard> into Google News.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:08 pm
Obama's fundraising is going strong:

Quote:


By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama reported Sunday raising at least $32.5 million for his presidential campaign from April through June, a record for a Democratic candidate.
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That is more than what Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's main Democratic rival, has said she would raise for the reporting period that ended Saturday.

At least $31 million of Obama's total is for party primaries, according to campaign aides.

The first-term senator from Illinois received donations from more than 154,000 individual contributors and through the first half of the year had 258,000 donors. Obama raised $25.7 million in the first three months of the year.

Vaulting ahead of Clinton in the money race is an important achievement. Despite broad public interest in Obama's candidacy, he trails the New York senator and former first lady in national polls.


I had an interesting discussion about him at my book club the other day. With the exception of one other person, these people are pretty apolitical, not that interested in this stuff. The other person mentioned that she was reading Gore's "Assault on Reason," and how she had to read it in small doses because it made her so mad (at Bush + co., not at Gore), and we started a good discussion about 2008 candidates. In this group -- all women -- Hillary was universally panned, which surprised me a bit. The Republicans were dismissed as not being presidential material, including Thompson ("c'mon, he's just an actor..."). Edwards and Obama were the only ones they seemed really interested in, and they seemed more interested in Obama, which also surprised me. What they glommed on to though was that the KKK had promised to take him out if he became president, though. That seemed to make them nervous. I pointed out that once he actually becomes president (er, IF...! caught myself there, will leave it :-)), such threats are punishable and they can be locked up for it (right?), that seemed to calm them down. But that's an interesting angle for me -- I'd thought about it I guess but hadn't really seen it in action -- that people who like him would worry about voting for someone they think is destined for assassination. Eek.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:16 pm
Any threat against the president is illegal; they take that very seriously - even if somebody makes a joke about it.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:19 pm
Not just against the president. Death threads are illegal no matter who is threatened.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 01:22 pm
Gee, how does the "police" catch all those people who say "I'll kill you?"
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okie
 
  1  
Sun 1 Jul, 2007 08:43 pm
Any evidence of the KKK actually making the threat, or is this somebody's imagination? Maybe they need to check with Robert Byrd?

I would also be leery of lots of other people besides the KKK. Also worthy of mention here is that death threats are nothing new to any presidential candidate, so I find it curious that this issue keeps popping up with Obama.
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snood
 
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Sun 1 Jul, 2007 08:59 pm
You would...
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Miller
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:21 am
Lates news:

48% of dems are voting for Hillary Clinton.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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sozobe
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:28 am
okie wrote:
Any evidence of the KKK actually making the threat, or is this somebody's imagination?


It sounded familiar to me but when I just tried to find evidence there wasn't much. What I saw was from blog-type places rather than AP or NYT or whatever. I think it may have been speculation around why he got secret service protection rather than a documented fact. That's certainly something to come back to my bookclub with, if it didn't even happen!

Can anyone else find it?
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sozobe
 
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Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:36 am
By the way, I found this about how making a threat against a president is in a different category than making a threat against a regular person:

Quote:
It is important to realize that the statute criminalizes the threat, not the intent to carry it out,[10] nor the ability to carry it out. If the defendant is in jail when he makes the statement, he can still be prosecuted for threatening the President.[11] Furthermore, evidence of mental incapacity can be excluded from trial because the activity criminalized by section 871 "requires only a showing of general intent."[12]


http://www.federalcrimesblog.com/2006/04/threats-to-presidentmental-patient.html

I can go and find specifics about non-presidential death threats, but I'm pretty sure that punishment in those instances requires a lot more than just making a statement.
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okie
 
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Mon 2 Jul, 2007 09:03 am
sozobe wrote:
okie wrote:
Any evidence of the KKK actually making the threat, or is this somebody's imagination?


It sounded familiar to me but when I just tried to find evidence there wasn't much. What I saw was from blog-type places rather than AP or NYT or whatever. I think it may have been speculation around why he got secret service protection rather than a documented fact. That's certainly something to come back to my bookclub with, if it didn't even happen!

Can anyone else find it?

Thats what I figured. I doubt very seriously the KKK would make such a threat. Is the organization even a viable one anymore anyway? It is a skeleton of its former self, thank goodness, and I think Obama should be worried about more credible foes.

Again, why is the assassination issue suddenly an issue with Obama, when it isn't with other black leaders or whites for that matter? Death threats come with the territory.

I would keep a sharp eye on this issue, as who knows who wants to plant a pre-conceived notion in the minds of people? I will leave it at that.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 12:20 pm
Obama is in front of all the front-runners on raising money; beat Clinton by 50% - and money "talks." This trend does too!
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sozobe
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 12:54 pm
OK so this is really fascinating me -- where did the KKK thing come from?! Why was it "familiar" to me, and the whole book club accepted it as fact?

I'm trying to trace it and can't find anything but a strange/ not very reputable blog ("Liveleak").

This is the closest I've come, and maybe explains the "familiar" part:

Quote:
CBS) CHICAGO Presidential candidate Barack Obama has been placed under the protection of the U.S. Secret Service, the earliest ever for a White House hopeful.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff authorized Obama's protection after consultations with the congressional advisory committee.

CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery reports Thursday's Secret Service protection comes at Obama's own request. With no specific threat reported, sources said increasing crowd size caused enough concern to step up security.

But Thursday night, Sen. Dick Durbin said Obama has received specific, racist threats, which may have contributed to the increased security.

"It is the sad reality this day and age that Mr. Obama's African American heritage is a cause for very violent and hated reactions from some people," Durbin said.


http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_123160038.html

I'm not sure if it's different enough from the KKK thing that the fact that the KKK thing might be apocryphal is important, but I still find this still very interesting. (And welcome any other research people want to do -- the fact that I haven't found it yet certainly doesn't mean the evidence isn't out there...)
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okie
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 02:32 pm
Dick Durbin is liable to say anything, such as calling our actions at Gitmo akin to being nazis. I would not consider anything he says as credible.
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 07:33 pm
Durbin was right.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 08:21 pm
I agree with Vietnamnurse, and disagree with okie - on most topics.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 08:37 pm
Soz,

You probably got the impression from these two posts:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2640977#2640977

Quote:
:
But white supremacists, appalled that a black candidate may have a viable shot at the presidency, have been spewing venom across the Internet for months.

"Our world will become unbearable with him as President," wrote a typical poster on a white powerWeb site. "Maybe there will be someone who would take [a] chance and do a Lincoln on him? Is that our only hope?"
[...]
An article in last week's edition of the rightwing Insight magazine blasted him for his lack of security, mentioned Robert Kennedy and accused Obama of "almost courting this tragic, and historically predictable, result."

"It is time for Obama to put aside his pride, or bravado, and ask for the protection he requires," the magazine said.


Source: New York Daily News, 04.05.07, page 7


and

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2642599#2642599

Quote:
Obama have been attracting too many racist comments.

Quote:
Via CBSNews.com :

Today CBSNews.com informed its staff via email that they should no longer enable comments on stories about presidential candidate Barack Obama. The reason for the new policy, according to the email, is that stories about Obama have been attracting too many racist comments.

"It's very simple," Mike Sims, director of News and Operations for CBSNews.com, told me. "We have our Rules of Engagement. They prohibit personal attacks, especially racist attacks. Stories about Obama have been problematic, and we won't tolerate it."

CBSNews.com does sometimes delete comments on an individual basis, but Sims said that was not sufficient in the case of Obama stories due to "the volume and the persistence" of the objectionable comments. Read moreĀ…

This might explain why Obama requested Secret Service protection this early in the campaign. Sadly, this is what you get when racists and bigots are given credibility and unlimited airtime on a national platform who are joined by racist politicians backed by a well funded political party. While we're on the subject, I'd like to thank the C&L site monitor team for all of their hard work.
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okie
 
  1  
Mon 2 Jul, 2007 09:50 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I agree with Vietnamnurse, and disagree with okie - on most topics.


So Durbin was correct to compare us to Nazis at Gitmo? Go tell the soldiers that were down there that, imposter and vietnamnurse. You both are not only wrong, you are an insult to people's intelligence to say the least.
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Miller
 
  1  
Tue 3 Jul, 2007 07:51 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Obama is in front of all the front-runners on raising money; beat Clinton by 50% - and money "talks." This trend does too!


If "money talks", why are 48% of registered Dems for Hillary Clinton and less than 30% for Obama?

Money may talk, but does money VOTE??
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Miller
 
  1  
Tue 3 Jul, 2007 07:53 am
What was recently pointed out in a NYTimes article was that a very large % of Obama money was coming in from American Blacks whose average incomes were in the $30,000 range.
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