@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
[I will take your silence on the subject of that last post as agreement with my position; or at the very least, that you can't formulate an argument against it without tying yourself in knots.
Take it as you wish. However, you have posed an obviously false dilemma, i.e. rank obstructionism OR principled opposition. The opposition by Republicans in the Congress to the agenda being forced through by the Democrat majorities was clearly and obviously principled.
I'm sorry, but it clearly was not. McConnell publicly announced - before
any legislation was brought to the floor by the Dems after the 2008 election - that the Republican strategy was going to be to block each and every bill possible - to oppose every single piece of legislation until they had the presidency or control the Senate again. Seriously. That's rank obstructionism; not principled opposition. There's no such thing as blanket principled opposition to any bill passing.
What more, Republicans have blocked twice as many Judicial nominees from being confirmed, as the Dems EVER did to any president. And why? There's nothing principled about destroying our judiciary by keeping any nominees from the other side from moving forward. The percentage of nominees confirmed by the Senate is a full 15 points lower than the lowest ever, and 25 points lower than under Bush 2.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/08/18/infographic-record-judicial-diversity-record-judicial-delays
In the House, Republicans motioned to Adjourn up to 6 times a day for a month straight; each time required a vote, each vote took up 45 minutes, and that ground business there to a halt. That's not principled opposition - it's obstructionism. There was no point to it other than to delay. There is no principle in such actions whatsoever, and you know it!
The Republicans didn't object to individual bills the Dems tried to pass that violated some belief of theirs. They objected to ALL BILLS passing under Obama. They objected to ALL judicial candidates. They have objected to ALL nominees for many cabinet positions.
That's rank obstructionism. Your argument is a hollow one, and unconvincing to anyone.
Quote: As time passes the wissdom of their opposition and the folly of the "progressive" agenda for our country have both become more clear.
Bullshit, but hey - as I've said, you've grown increasingly radicalized, so I can see how you might feel that way.
Quote:It was obstructionist in your eyes because you didn't like it, and I note that you tend to frequently confuse what you like with what is good for others. They aren't the same at all.
This is the same argument Spendi made, and I've knocked it down twice now. Repeating it doesn't improve the argument.
Quote:Cycloptichorn wrote:
. Much in the same fashion as Clinton, he will continue to be a powerful force for the Dems for the rest of your lifetime. I'd advise getting used to it.
Cycloptichorn
Oh, he'll still be around, but the perception of him will be more like that of the hapless Jimmy Carter than that of the far more adroit Bill Clinton.
You don't speak for Americans on this one - Obama is very well liked. You only wish such a thing would happen. Are you prepared for the opposite to be true?
Quote:"Leading from behind" is a phrase that will long be associated with him. Perhaps you should begin to prepare yourself for that.
I am prepared for that - it's a wise way to lead. And he certainly has seen some success by doing so.
Cycloptichorn