ican711nm
 
  -1  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 11:43 am
IMPEACH & REMOVE PRESIDENTS WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH THEIR OATH OR AFFIRMATION to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and to the best of their ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Relevant excerpts from the Constitution of the USA as amended

Article I, Section 1—
Before he (the President of the United States) enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Article II, Section 4—
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article VI—
This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

Amendment V—
No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment IX—
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X—
The powers not delegated to the united States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

...Leftist Liberals despise reality and the people who describe it!
....They continually villify conservatives for the damage they themselves have done and are doing to our Country!

JTT
 
  1  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 11:52 am
@ican711nm,
Who is this new poster, Ican? I love the new stuff, the insightful comments. I'm collecting all the parts of the consteetwoshun and this really helps my collection.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 12:16 pm
Enough already!

Obama's devious, dangerous and damaging democrats need to be stopped in their tracks on all fronts.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 02:23 pm
@H2O MAN,
waterboy only knows ad hominems and nothing else! You would think most people would grow up after adolescence. He's a school yard bully that never contributes anything of value to any discussion.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 02:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Those figures mean that 90% of the population owns 26% of the assets. At its simplest, if there are 100 people and if the assests amount to $100, then 10 people own $71 in total or $7.10 each while the remaining 90 must divide $26 among themselves. Why are okie, ican, boehner, and the governors of WI, MI and ME so eager for our $0.28?
plainoldme
 
  0  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 02:33 pm
@mysteryman,
How many times have you read here that Obama is a middle of the road man, a Republican shill?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 02:52 pm
@plainoldme,
It makes no sense; the top 10% owns 71% of the wealth (and growing), but the conservatives want them to pay less in taxes.

They have leave of their common sense by being advocates for the GOP. In 2010, the CEO's gained 27% in salary and benefits, while the workers at the same company 'gained' 2%; that's not even keeping up with inflation when we look at the higher cost of food and fuel.

They have turned into parrots rather than thinking voters.

plainoldme
 
  0  
Mon 11 Apr, 2011 03:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
10 - 9 - 8 . . . I'm counting down to okie's defense of common sense. It will come at any moment.
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okie
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 02:29 am
eery once in a while, its interesting to do a fresh search on the latest news about the Obama birth certificate. Here is what I found this evening, which makes for interesting reading. Of course Obama believers will pass it off as more kookie conspiracy stuff, but I find it interesting and not without some legitimate questions still lingering about this, especially after the new governor out there vowed to clear this up, but only adds more mystery to it. Also, Obama's legal bills continue to mount with his efforts to withhold all kinds of his records, which is strange for a man that promised an open and honest administration. I would recommend reading the whole article. I would be especially interested in the opinion of this by george and other conservatives here.

"A New "Twist in Obama Birth Certificate Mystery"

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/a-new-twist-in-obama-birth-certificate-mystery.html
mysteryman
 
  2  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 03:46 am
@okie,
I just finished reading the article, and I will say this again...

The entire stir regarding his birth certificate is a huge waste of time.

My sister was born in Hawaii, she has the same "certificate of live birth" that Obama has, and it is accepted as valid in all 50 states.
It is valid for her to get a passport, it is recognized as valid by the US govt, and it is what the state of Hawaii provides.

You do yourself no favors when you bring the subject back up.
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revelette
 
  0  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 06:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I think it bears looking at, but not with an axe. The government can't continue to spend money it doesn't have. Unfunded mandates only creates more problems in other necessary areas of education and infrastructure upkeep and maintenance.

I'm going to wait and see how Obama plans to cut those unfunded mandates.


Agreed.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 07:47 am
Does anyone have an opinion on Gordon Duff?
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Advocate
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:03 am
POLITICS
Born Again Birther Party

In July 2008, a researcher "looking to dig up dirt on Obama" instead came across a birth announcement from 1961 in the Honolulu Advertiser documenting the birth of then-presidential candidate Barack Obama in the state. The document, together with Obama's certificate of live birth which showed his birth date, birth city, name, and parenta l information, definitively proved that Obama was born in the United States and is eligible to run for president. Yet, the conspiracy has lived on within the right-wing bowels of the Republican Party for the past couple of years. Most recently, real estate mogul and possible presidential hopeful Donald Trump has taken to the airwaves to challenge the legitimacy of Obama's presidency. And while Trump claims that he'd rather be talking about how China and OPEC "are going to destroy us," he has instead distracted the public with his fabricated controversy and used it to drum up right-wing support for his rumored presidential bid. Trump's birtherism may have propelled him at the forefront of the Republican presidential primary, but it could also cause the credibility of the entire GOP 2012 field to take a steep fall.

RIGHT-WING BUY IN: Since the end of March, Trump has gone from being "really concerned" that "Obama was not born in this country" to insisting that his grandparents essentially lied about his birthplace to collect welfare and other citizenship "assets." Trump's colleagues haven't backed away from his increasingly controversial comments. Instead, they have either tacitly or expressly supported his birther media blitz. Sarah Palin, who once said the "birther" issue is a "distraction" from the important issues, said on Sunday, "I appreciate that the Donald wants to spend his resources on something that so interests him and so many Americans, you know more power to him." Pizza mogul Herman Cain was one of the first public figures who came to Trump's defense, stating, "I respect people that believe he should prove his citizenship. He should prove he was born in the United States of America." Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus has signaled that the RNC is willing and ready to embrace a Trump candidacy. Meanwhile, the GOP congressional leadership has its own history of tiptoeing around the issue. In the past, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has refused to ca ll quest ions about President Obama's citizenship illegitimate and declined to label such rhetoric "crazy," saying "I don’t think it's nice to call anyone crazy, ok?" House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) hasn't challenged his colleagues' birther beliefs because, according to him, "it's not up to me to tell them what to think."

BIRTHER BILLS: The birther conspiracy has also been rearing its ugly head at the state-level. At least 13 states have had bills introduced that would require future presidential candidates to document their eligibility with birth certificates or other forms of proof that they were born in the United States. Committee actions have blocked such proposals in New Hampshire, Montana, Iowa, Maine, and Tennessee. Yet, in Arizona, the so-called "birther bill" is very much alive. Back in December, Arizona state Senate President Russell Pearce (R) was already bragging about the fact that Obama would have to "show his papers" to enter his state. Last week, the Arizona Senate gave preliminary approval to a bill which would require any presidential candidate to prove to state election officials that he or she was born in the U.S. by presenting a long-form birth certificate, a baptismal or circumcision certificate, a hospital birth record, a postpartum medical record, or an early census record. Trump was involved. Arizona state Rep. Carl Seel (R) scored a meeting with Trump and indicated that "Mr. Trump is very supportive of my bill to just simply require anyone running for president, or, in the case of Arizona, anyone running for any office, to show that they're lawfully qualified to run." Last Thursday, the Oklahoma House of Representatives also approved similar legislation. "A lot of people are classifying this as a birther bill which I don't think it is," said state Sen. Ralph Shortey (R). "The concern has stemmed from the questions that have arisen from President Obama." The evidence that Obama has provided so far would not meet the eligibility requirements o f Shorte y's bill and would block him from appearing on the Oklahoma ballot. As David Corn of Mother Jones points out, these proposals are all "part of a well-orchestrated campaign to deny Obama reelection." Despite their limited legislative success, the birther conspiracy theory isn't passing legal muster in the courts. In Hawaii, an appeals court upheld the dismissal of a California man's lawsuit which sought to inspect and review President Oba­ma 's birth certificate.

DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD: Several conservatives have traditionally been wary of promoting birtherism just to pander to the right. In 2009, conservative talk show host Michael Medved called the movement's leaders "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters" who are "the worst enemy of the conservative movement." "It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company," declared Medved. Former Minnesota Governor and presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty (R) has dismissed birtherism entirely, stating, "I, for one, do not believe that we should be raising that issue. ... I think President Obama was born in the United States." Karl Rove tried to distance the rest of the GOP from the issue, saying, "The right wing base of the Republican party, I'm part of that right wing base, is not in love with the issue of birthers. I mean, there is an element inside the Republican party, and outside the Republican party, that's fallen in love with this but the majority of Republicans and the vast majority of Americans accept that he is a U.S. citizen capable of being president." Rove is only partly right. While only 11 percent of the general public believes Obama was definitely not born in the United States, more than half of all GOP primary voters are convinced he is not a U.S.-born citizen. White House senior adviser David Plouffe dismissed Trump's birther beliefs on Sunday, stating "I saw Donald Trump kind of rising in the polls. Given his behavior, and the spectacle of the last couple of weeks, I hope he keeps on rising. ... There's zero chance that Donald Trump would ever be hired by the American people to do this job." "If I were them, I'd be really careful riding that birther horse too much," weighed in former President Bill Clinton. "Everyone knows it's ludicrous." Others say it's just downright racist.

-- americanprogressaction.org



RABEL222
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:19 am
@Advocate,
Who in their right mind gives a damn what Trump thinks. He is nothing but a loud mouthed showman. And not a very good one.
JTT
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:22 am
@okie,
Why do you continue with such unimportant nonsense, Okie? There are multiple incidents of your government engaging in genocidal actions around the globe, which are much much much more important than this little non-issue.

Remember,

The crimes of the U.S. throughout the world have been systematic, constant, clinical, remorseless, and fully documented but nobody talks about them.
Harold Pinter

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plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:24 am
@RABEL222,
Someone on Wait! Wait! Don't Tell Me! did an impromptu piece on Trump as president. Trump invited reporters into the Oval Office, pointed to the new chair he had made and proclaimed it was solid gold! Then another wag said it was made of gold plated dead presidents. Trump dug them up and used them to make a chair.

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JTT
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 09:32 am
Hasn't anyone noticed how all these nutcases that step into the limelight to showcase their ignorance, the trumps, the palins, the bachmanns, the bushes, the reagans, ... , run for the Republican party and are conservatives?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 10:24 am
@Advocate,
Advocate, A good piece of revelation of the republican party, but it won't change anything, because that's the normal meme for them! They are not thinkers of reality; they create their own reality with falsehoods, then jump on the wagon that should head straight for the cliffs, but doesn't.

Amazing American politics.

Just look at how they've been playing their hand; they wanted to cut Planned Parenthood to block the budget process, because they claimed it performed abortions without acknowledging that PP uses less than 3% of their funding for abortions, and the other 97% goes for women's health services like cancer screening.

They are now working to hold the debt ceiling hostage to get more concessions from Obama on tax cuts and the decimation of social services like Medicare and Medicaid.

Think about this for just for a moment; they're out to cut the benefits for all Americans; that means many republicans will get hurt, but that doesn't seem to phase them one bit! They want to destroy whatever security Americans have to game to their political ends; make threats until Obama bends their way.

Obama is at fault too, because we really don't know who Obama is or what he stands for. He's a weeny! He has no backbone; only when it comes to expanding wars that involves spending more money that we don't have that he's very decisive.

What a fucked up country.
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ican711nm
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 10:28 am
Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Maximum income tax rates were decreased from 70% in 1981 to 35% in 2003, and remained at 35% 2003 - 2010.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf
Federal Receipts during the period 1980 - 2007 increased from $0.517 to $2.568 trillion, and during the period 2007 - 2010 decreased from $2.568 trillion to $2,165 trillion.

Federal Outlays during the period 1980 - 2010 increased from $0.591 to $3.721 trillion.

Federal Deficits during the period 1980 - 2000 decreased from -$0.0738 to +$0.236 trillion, and during the period 2000 - 2010 increased from +$0.236 trillion to -$1.556 trillion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_U.S._public_debt
Year………GROSS FEDERAL DEBT
1980.......$0.908 trillion [CARTER]
1988….….$2.602 trillion [REAGAN], average annual increase 1980 - 1988 = $0.2118 trillion
1992........$4.065 trillion [BUSH41], average annual increase 1988 - 1992 = $0.3658 trillion
2000.......$5.674 trillion [CLINTON], average annual increase 1992 - 2000 = $0.2011 trillion
2008.......$10.025 trillion [BUSH43], average annual increase 2000 - 2008 = $0.5439 trillion
2010.......$13.562 trillion [OBAMA], average annual increase 2008 - 2010 = $1.7685 trillion

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Civilian Non-institutional Population during the period 1980 - 2010 increased from 168 to 238 million.

Total US Civil Employment during the period 1980 - 2007 increased from 99.3 to 146 million, and during the period 2007 - 2010 decreased from 146 to 139 million.

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mysteryman
 
  1  
Tue 12 Apr, 2011 03:10 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
At least 13 states have had bills introduced that would require future presidential candidates to document their eligibility with birth certificates or other forms of proof that they were born in the United States.


I am mixed on this part.
While I can see the silliness of the whole Obama birth certificate nonsense, I can also see this as a possible solution.

I really dont see the downside of someone having to prove that they are a US citizen to run for president.
After all, the President and Vice President are the only 2 offices that require US citizenship, so requireing someone to prove that they are eligible doesnt seem like a real problem.

HOWEVER, if its being done solely to take a cheap shot and Obama, or any other person that people dont like, then I can understand why its a bad idea.
 

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