@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:2, complaints of bigotry against conservatives, such as we've seen rise a great deal in the last few years, are quite entertaining but hardly serious
I find this comment by you to be rather telling about you.
You say that the complaints are "hardly serious".
It seems to me that ANY bigotry, no matter who it is aimed at, is a serious matter.
Even if the group doing the complaining is a group you dont like.
Judging by your statement, you SEEM to be saying that its ok to be bigoted if its towards someone you disagree with or dislike.
It's not that it's 'ok' - it's that:
1, it hardly exists if at all - certainly not to the level that some whine about it, and
2, it certainly doesn't seem to keep any of them from earning a fine living and achieving the highest levels of power in the land. At all.
When we talk about the negative effects of discrimination, and the need to take action based on them, you ought to be able to point to those effects and the way that they have harmed that group. Women, minorities, gay folks; you can easily show how discrimination has harmed their ability to succeed in a variety of ways. Conservatives? Not so much.
So, I don't take their whining seriously. At all.
Quote:Quote:LOL. Unless you have a couple of degrees in history, you aren't trained in the study of it - like some of us are
So someone must have a degree in something to be a student of it, or to be able to properly study it?
Does the name Jane Goodall ring a bell with you?
She had no formal training or a college education, yet she became the worlds foremost expert on Chimpanzee's.
How could she have done that with no degree?
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She was self-taught, and yes - her field experience more than made up for any formal learning program.
However, it has been my long personal experience that lots of folks think they know a lot about history, because they happen to have read a book or two about it. This isn't usually born out when you question them in depth on issues that lie beneath the surface, or when you ask them for greater anlaysis than existed in the book or article they happened to read.
For example; Okie thinks he knows a lot about the Nazi party and Germany because he read a few
Time/Life books on the subject. Do you honestly think that compares to someone who was trained to look at primary sources and utilizes a variety of different methods and metrics to determine a more objective view of the situation?
It does not. Let us take another example that you may agree with - driving a big-rig. I know how to
drive in general, I've been doing it my whole life. But if I jumped in your rig, I'd probably flip the thing or kill someone within just a few miles. Because a little bit of knowledge ain't the same thing as being trained to engage in an activity.
People like Goodall are the exemption, not the rule. The majority of those in our world who have made impacts in literature, history, art, engineering, math and science, were trained to do so in a formal program of education.
Cycloptichorn