Obama '08?

snood, I do see a connection. Not just Obama but most Dem Presidential hopefuls seem to be playing pattycakes with Bushie's war crimes and domestic crimes. Yet most Americans say Bushie deliberately misled us into war. And a former CIC Jimmy Carter called Bushie's war unjust and uneeded. A huge statement from a former CIC. Also a former SC Justice is warning of a possible dictatorship in the making. Imo the leading Dems are playing like Neville Chamberlain to Bushie's threat. Hillary and Obama and the rest are playing the politics of living in fear. Gore said it flat out, Bush betrayed us into war.

Okay - if you say the connection is that Obama isn't tough enough on Bush's war, I can see that. But we've already established that moral outrage doesn't sell, and that salesmanship is what politics is all about.

(excuse me, I have to vomit)

snood, I dont know with a majority of Americans saying that both deliberately lying us into war and warrantless spying are reasons to impeach that moral outrage dont sell. I think Americans are much more angry at Bushie than elected leaders are ready to admit. But there are other shoes to drop and if Fitzgerald should drop them with indictments of Rove and Hadley and maybe even Cheney then cries for impeachment will resound even in Hillary World.

It would take a 90% mandate on an opinion poll, before the gutless Dems will take the kind of stand I'd like to see.

c.i., I didn't say your post was "unrelated"; I said it was a change of subject... which of course, it is. If Obama's to have a chance; that is precisely the kind of subject change he'll not want to focus on.
Snood, I already opened a new thread specifically for Blueflame's flaming, but he/she'd rather muck up Soz's. What can you do?<shrugs>

OB, Unrelated and change of subjectd has the same meaning for this simpleton.

OCCUM, I'm not mucking up a damn thing. I've shown dis-pleasure with Obama and other Dems and explained why. It's well within the context of the subject. What is unusual is I'm in disagreement with some people I'm usually in agreement with. In fact I agree with Obama on most issues. Still I will disagree forcefully when I disagree on life and death issues and issues of losing liberty in a Bushie power grab. I want the Dems to call a spade a spade when it comes to Presidential abuses of power. If that's mucking up the thread I dont see it nor would that ever be my intention. My intention is to express myself in a serious way in these serious times. "Why Doesn't the Democratic Leadership in Congress Start Holding Bush Accountable for Crimes Against the Nation, Instead of Getting Upset with Feingold for Being Outraged?"

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Bush, it now appears, authorized KGB-like "black bag jobs," with law enforcement authorities breaking and entering into businesses and homes of U.S. Citizens. http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/06/03/ana06014.html

Ooooh god this is depressing:

Hillary First, Gore Second for U.S. Democrats

Hillary Rodham Clinton 43%

Al Gore 12%

John Edwards 11%

John Kerry 10%

Joseph Biden 4%

Wesley Clark 4%

Mark Warner 3%

Evan Bayh 2%

NooooOOOOOOooooo!!!!!

(Obama wasn't on the poll, though?) <She says, hopefully...>

Well, there was "other" and "not sure," but not Obama.

I choose to be encouraged by that. :-D

Yeah - that's the kind of thing that makes me think the whole frikkin world lives their lives blindfolded.

In a presidential election, do Americans get the choice to check a box called "none of the above" and do without a president for four years? I have a funny feeling that "none of the above" might be a strong contender.

Thomas, I agree; "none of the above" is a viable choice for many in the US today. We are still faced with the problem of "who?"

No you aren't. If "none of the above" wins a seat, you just leave it empty. The otherwise unsuccessful Weimar Republic had something like it. There was a system of proportional representation, and every party got a seat for every 100,000 votes it got. If parties frustrated their voters with partisan bickering and people stayed home, there would be fewer seats, meaning fewer perks, available to all politicians.

I like the idea.

kinda like voting for anarchy. wonderful idea.

Thomas, I hadn't thought through the issue as you have, and I like your idea. It has the best solution for the problems that face us today.

Forget Obama in 08. No chance. Hillary and the boys running the party will never allow it.

Feingold wasnt mentioned in the poll either.

If I'm forced to dig up some optimistic perspective (but Im only gonna do that once today), I'm gonna say that at this stage perhaps the polls reflect name recognition more than anything else...

nimh, I think you're spot on!

I'm with you on that, soz. Who made up the list? What would the results be with Obama on the list? What would be the result of a make up your own list list? lotsa unanswered questions.