okie
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Dec, 2010 07:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Oylok, Unfortunately human greed is a poison that has no ethics or conscience. All these CEOs and officers of companies who get stock options worth millions of dollars do not "really" earn that; it's the workers who produce the goods and services - and they're the ones who should be rewarded with higher pay.
So when are the execs at Fannie going to be prosecuted for cooking the books? For example Franklin Raines that was taking 90 million from taxpayers while he was doing it.
Quote:
Their greed will destroy our country; it's the middle class that spends money to keep our economy ticking. Our educational system is also failing our children. Our future looks bleak from not only that perspective, but the fact that our country is no longer creating the number of jobs to employ those graduating from high school and college.
Conservatives have proposed reforms to address these problems. Will you get on board, or will you continue to support the same old failed policies?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 05:26 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Not off a Republican website, cyclops. It comes from the home page of a very good news network, Foxnews.com. I think the website says it best.

"The list of American innovations that have changed life on Earth is practically endless, but President Obama is trying to inspire America's next technological wave by referring back to a 50-year-old achievement by a defunct nation -- Sputnik".

So my first question is, does the man know that Sputnik was put up there by the Russians? After all, he thought ten thousand people died in the tornado in Greensburg, Kansas, and he has been quoted as saying he had campaigned in 57 states. And he said he had missed two, so does that mean he thinks there are 59? It should be evident by now that we are not dealing with the brightest bulb in the house here. Secondly, if he indeed does know Sputnik was put up by the Russians, is he using it as a subtle message that a communist country out achieved us? Heck, I don't know, cyclops, the guy says weird things. Here is a reminder of one funny thing he said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws[/youtube]



Good stuff.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:03 am


It looks like Obama is getting rolled back.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:23 am
Obama's plan to raise taxes has failed, the BUSH tax cuts remain.
It now looks like Mr. Obama's re-election bid will be centered around raising everybody's taxes.

Progressive liberals must be very unhappy in PrezBO today Laughing Laughing
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:50 am
@Oylok,
Of course, Keynes' theories have a few holes in them. Economics is about an un-exact a study as mankind has produced.
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plainoldme
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:52 am
@Oylok,
Quote:
For one thing, POM bemoaned our loss of industrial jobs in the 1980s.


It is always enlightening to get feedback on what I never wrote.

the 80s?

plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 09:54 am
@Oylok,
Quote:
Also, Americans may need to resign themselves to lower standards of material consumption as raw materials run out, and we may need to resign ourselves to the fact that our standard of living is probably going to converge with that of the rest of the world, since young minds in the rest of the world are as sharp as ours and, these days, better educated. But that does not mean a descent into a post-apocalyptic dark age.


When I have said that western democracy is built upon the idea of sacrifice, I was pooh-poohed here by people without a sense of history and a scant knowledge of political theory.

Anyway, there have been people throughout time who have preached share and share alike.

The environmental movement is built upon that principle.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:07 am
@Oylok,
Quote:
However, the unequal distribution of wealth in this country is fanning the flames of our greed. When we raise the stakes that people play for by eliminating safety nets, the old struggle for "ending up the best toys" becomes a bitter struggle for survival. The free-market system is often a good way of harnessing people's greed and directing it towards a good purpose. But when you raise the stakes to the point where the system's losers live out lives of meaningless misery, people will start abusing the system and breaking laws in order to avoid losing. At that point you get rampant white-collar crime like we have today.


Several things need to be addressed here:

First, we worship people who symbolize materialism, whether they are professional athletes or actresses and models "on the red carpet" in clothes we could never afford while we wear jeans and hoodies that are insufficiently warm and result in our failure to "dial down" our thermostats.

Perhaps, this urge to worship conspicuous consumption is not "natural," that is does not spring from within, but is aided and abetted by a news cycle that emphasizes this sort of idolatry at the expense of real news. Is it any wonder that so many right wingers control the media and the media is shrinking, offering less and less variety?

After all, people once read The Saturday Review of Literature and not People.

Second, the conservative notion of the bottom line -- which is not the left's notion of take only what you need so that others might live -- has ruined American education. I have students who come to college with writing skills equivalent to those of Catholic school third - fifth graders of the late 1950s. During my high school career, we were made to read 16 books each year in addition to the in class assignments. Today's kids read one book during the summer and three if they are in honors classes. People whose communications skills are that poor are open to the suggestions of the truly evil in our society, the rush limbaughs and the glenn becks and their puppets, the sarah palins and michele bachmanns.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:08 am
@okie,
Quote:
Conservatives have proposed reforms to address these problems. Will you get on board, or will you continue to support the same old failed policies?


Conservatives are the problem. There is no more titanically failed policy greater than trickle down.
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ican711nm
 
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Tue 7 Dec, 2010 11:50 am
The ILL, Invidious Leftist Liberals, are in favor of stealing-up: getting the federal government to steal for them what others have earned.

The ILL refuse to recognize the reality that the wealthy became wealthy or obtain more of their wealth from wisely investing and/or managing and/or being employed in businesses that hire employees, and when those businesses grow and they generate more wealth the wealthy hire more employees. It's not trickle-down, it's pour-down, or more accurately, it's all of us growing-up.

The ILL elected majorities have caused the decline of our economy since 2007.

Quote:

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Year……TOTAL US CIVIL EMPLOYMENT
1980……………..99 million [CARTER]
1988…………… 115 million [REAGAN]
1992…………….118 million [BUSH41]
2000……………137 million [CLINTON]
2007………..….146 million [BUSH43]
2008………….. 145 million [BUSH43]
2009,……….....140 million [OBAMA]
2010.……………139 million [OBAMA] as of November 2010

Year.…….PERCENT OF CIVILIAN POPULATION EMPLOYED
1980…………………………………….59.2 [CARTER]
1988…………………………………….62.3 [REAGAN]
1992…………………………………….61.5 [BUSH41]
2000…………………………………….64.4 [CLINTON]
2007…………………………………….63.0 [BUSH43]
2008…………………………………….62.2 [BUSH43]
2009…………………………………….59.3 [OBAMA]
2010…………………………………….58.2 [OBAMA] as of November 2010

We will in 2011 begin to rediscover what the elected GRL, Greedy Rightist Liberals, help us all accomplish for ourselves.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 12:35 pm
@ican711nm,
Gee, I wish this forum had a sleeping emoticon available.

Snore! Snore! Snore! Snore!

Your repetitiveness has succeeded, ican, I am taking a nap.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 12:39 pm
Oylok wrote that I presented a pessimistic scenario. Actually, he called it a prediction but I don't like that word.

I have long felt that one can not be a liberal unless one sees the glass as half-empty.

People who see the glass as half-empty, look toward making things better, toward the future.

People who see the glass as half-full, open another Bud, sit on the couch and get fat while they think everything is hunky-dory, better than ever before. The Satan in his two avatars, beck and limbaugh, tells him he should be happy because America is the greatest vote against education, anti-abortion, gun-toting country in the world. Belch!
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:26 pm
It sounds like growing numbers of people receiving unemployment checks is an important component to Obamanomics.

Is the Obama administration actually encouraging the unemployed to stay unemployed?
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O Man wrote:
Is the Obama administration actually encouraging the unemployed to stay unemployed?

You betcha! The more unemployed there are, the more unemployed there will be. Eventually, there will no longer be a USA economy and no longer will there be anyone for the ILL to steal from ... and the more sleep the ILL will need!
JTT
 
  2  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:44 pm
@ican711nm,
Could you two do your little 69s in the privacy of your homes or a cheap motel?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:47 pm
@JTT,
Do you have anything positive to say about Obama or are you so angry with him that you have to lash out at others?
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 03:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Do you have anything positive to say about Obama or are you so angry with him that you have to lash out at others?


Do you have anything positive to say about Obama or are you so angry with him that you have to lash out at others?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 03:41 pm
@realjohnboy,
realblueboy wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Do you have anything positive to say about Obama or are you so angry with him that you have to lash out at others?


Do you have anything positive to say about Obama or are you so angry with him that you have to lash out at others?


I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
okie
 
  -3  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 03:41 pm
I am posting this not only because I am unhappy with the president that we have, but also to remind even those that supported him and still do, and thought he would be a unifying force, and still believe he is a very sharp and intelligent man, I think you need to rethink your beliefs. Check out this video, also the ones on his 57 state gaffe and the ten thousand people dying in Greensburg, KS. The list does not stop there at all either.
JTT
 
  1  
Tue 7 Dec, 2010 03:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.


You really are one dumb piece of ****, h2oman. RJB was doing a parody of you.
 

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