Obama '08?

@parados,

parados wrote:

You left out a couple of important figures ican.
Percent of all Wealth

and

Percent of TOTAL taxes paid.

But, I don't expect you to tell the complete truth about any thing. It only means your solutions won't solve anything though.

"Percent of all Wealth" and "Percent of TOTAL taxes paid" are not relevant to whether or not the USA economy is failing or not failing, and whether or not President Obama is knowingly or unknowingly failing to rescue the USA economy.

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@ican711nm,

It's very relevant to who pays taxes.

But then you like to just dump crap out there without thinking about it, don't you?

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@revelette,

I like your reply to okie and congratulate you on your patience with him. I have simply given up on him, but, I do wonder whether he is smart enough to pull the collective a2k leg once in a while . . . because his posts can't possibly be serious.

Back in the 1960s, I thought the left would truly change the world, banishing hatred, bringing forth intellectualism, ethics and reason. I suspect that once Vietnam was over, the typical post-war lull broke the left's momentum.

I also suspect that the differentiation you made, between the political and the non-political left came into play and the political left went into retirement.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Back in the 1960s, I thought the left would truly change the world, banishing hatred, bringing forth intellectualism, ethics and reason.

Why did they do and continue to do just the opposite of what you thought they would do?

And why do you continue to support the liberal collective that has betrayed you?

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The reality of the situation is this: the economy will never recover.

Oil production will decline.

Water will become scarce.

The population of this country is too large to allow for recovery.

We destroyed the industrial base.

We made a mess of the infrastructure and the transportation system.

Humanity will probably return to the Middle Ages. That is, if we are lucky.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

The reality of the situation is this: the economy will never recover.

One thing is certain, the economy will not recover while liberal democrat's are controlling things.

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@H2O MAN,

Why did you make the word "democrat's" possessive?

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@plainoldme,

something about a liberal plantation.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

My point being that hate is pretty much an equalizer and does not signify leftist as being like Hitler in any way.

Some of your points are well said, revelette, but I will take the above one and advise you to read the following posted opinion on the economy thread, by one of the most avid leftists on this forum, by the name of plainoldme. I think you would be well advised to recognize the hatred that leftists can harbor, and she is a good example. You see, leftists are groupees, not individualists, and therefore they put their faith and hope in government to right all the wrongs of society. That is why leftists and leftist governments are so dangerous. The flip side of that is conservatism, which believes in individual freedom and responsibility, which does not need to right the wrongs of society, as they are instead more interested in living their own lives, and making sure that others have the same freedom to do the same.

plainoldme wrote:

I would not mind seeing CEOs slaughtered in their offices.

Similarly, another leftist, Adolph Hitler did not mind seeing his scapegoats slaughtered either, so that "social justice" ,quote unquote, could be furthered and eventually result into his utopian view of what Germany would be.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

The reality of the situation is this: the economy will never recover.

Oil production will decline.

Water will become scarce.

The population of this country is too large to allow for recovery.

We destroyed the industrial base.

We made a mess of the infrastructure and the transportation system.

Humanity will probably return to the Middle Ages. That is, if we are lucky.

Feeling particularly sunny are we?

You haven't given up on Hope & Change have you?

You still have Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

If Obama has lost plainoldme, then surely he has lost Middle America!

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Sorry if reality bothers you.

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From the strongest economy in he world, we are transforming our country like India where a few are the haves and the majority live in poverty. Many people in India, even with college degrees, cannot find jobs. Thats now happening in the US. The outcome of this transferrance of wealth to a minority is the attraction of Maoism. The Maoists in India plant bombs on trains to make their point. I see this happening in the US; maybe not today, but in the future.

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@cicerone imposter,

ci, that is where class envy, race baiting, and scapegoating takes you. That is one of many reasons why I will not vote for any Democrat for national office.

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@okie,

That's fine, because many Democrats would be horrified to have you vote for them.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

The reality of the situation is this: the economy will never recover.
Oil production will decline.
Water will become scarce.
The population of this country is too large to allow for recovery.
We destroyed the industrial base.
We made a mess of the infrastructure and the transportation system.
Humanity will probably return to the Middle Ages. That is, if we are lucky.

For the record, not all leftists believe that the economy will never recover.
I for one do not believe that.
I am young and still have hope.
Someone who has given in to despair like this isn't right-wing OR leftist; he/she is a clipped-wing defeatist.
Leftists should distance themselves from this kind of negativity.

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@cicerone imposter,

Cicerone wrote:

From the strongest economy in he world, we are transforming our country like India where a few are the haves and the majority live in poverty.

Agreed. Plutocrats are taking over. Question is, "how to stop it from happening?"

I don't claim to have the answers, but it begins by thinking positively.

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@Oylok,

PErhaps, youth is not your problem. Perhaps, you are romantic or naive or unable to take the long view.

Being left of center, however, has nothing to do with seeing that the economy will never recover. being a realist does.

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@okie,

Quote:

ci, that is where class envy, race baiting, and scapegoating takes you. That is one of many reasons why I will not vote for any Democrat for national office.

class envy? / scapegoating?
Democrats (with the possible exception of one poster in this thread) don't blame the wealthy for trying hard and succeeding; they merely agree with Keynes that the stakes we play for don't have to be quite so high.

race baiting?
Cicerone never suggested race had anything to do with the current maldistribution of wealth in India.

Remember the American Dream that was, Okie! Vote Democratic!

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@plainoldme,

Believing the economy would never recover certainly never got anyone elected.

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@Oylok,

Oylok, Unfortunately human greed is a poison that has no ethics or conscience. All these CEOs and officers of companies who get stock options worth millions of dollars do not "really" earn that; it's the workers who produce the goods and services - and they're the ones who should be rewarded with higher pay.

Their greed will destroy our country; it's the middle class that spends money to keep our economy ticking. Our educational system is also failing our children. Our future looks bleak from not only that perspective, but the fact that our country is no longer creating the number of jobs to employ those graduating from high school and college.

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